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Semroc
Thunderbee
Box 1271
Knightdale, NC 27545
(919) 266-1977
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SPECS: 14.7" x 3.3" - 0.3 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: 1/4A3-3t. 1/2A3-4t, A3-4t

Rating
(by Philip Handley - 05/15/04) Semroc Astronautics Corporation Thunderbee

Brief:
The Thunderbee is one of the latest kits from Semroc. It's the first and smallest rocket in the "Thunder" family. Each rocket in the family is around 1.5 times larger than the rocket before it! The Thunderbee is a minimum diameter 3FNC rocket. It comes down on an orange crepe streamer.

Construction:
The Thunderbee comes with the following parts:

  • 1 14.7" length of BT-5
  • 1 Balsa sheet of laser cut fins
  • 1 Balsa nose cone
  • 1 Cardboard thrust ring
  • 1 Launch lug
  • 1 Screw eye
  • 1 Elastic cord
  • 1 Kevlar® thread
  • 1 Crepe streamer
  • 1 Tape disc
  • 1 Empty engine casing
  • 1 Glue applicator
  • 1 Decal sheet
All the parts included in the kit were of the finest quality, especially the balsa nose cone and the laser cut fins, which were amazing. The fact that they even include a glue applicator (ear cleaning syringe) and a tube the same size and wall thickness of a spent engine casing means this kit could even be built as someone's first rocket with no spent engines.

The instructions included with the kit are in a logical order and easy to follow. Each step is accompanied by a clear diagram, and templates are included by the diagram of the step they are needed in.

Assembly is easy, with no real problems. Everything fit perfectly! The whole rocket is quite sturdy and would survive a recovery failure. I built mine with Medium CyA but the instructions suggest white/yellow glue.

I didn't really do anything different from the instructions, but on a rocket this simple there isn't really anything you can do differently.

Finishing:
Finishing this bird can be as simple as you want it to be! There are two decals supplied with no set place to put them. I decided to paint mine Florescent Orange all over--I want to find this thing again!--with 3 coats of white primer, 3 coats of orange, and then 3 coats of clear lacquer on the top to maximize the effect of the paint.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Semroc Astronautics Corporation Thunderbee

Flight:
The recommended motors are any 13mm motor from 1/4A3-3T to a full on A10-3T.

Prepping consists of inserting the igniter in the motor, friction fitting the motor, then pushing 3-4 sheets of recovery wadding down the tube. I found it quite difficult to roll up the streamer small enough to fit in the tube but managed it on my second try.

First flight was on a A10-3T with light winds (3-6mph). This rocket is very quick off the pad! After ignition, there was a neck snapping fast boost and ejection was just before apogee.

Second flight was on a A3-4T with light winds (3-6mph) again. This time the boost was slightly slower but longer. I almost lost it on the way up but the tracking smoke started up. Ejection was almost spot on apogee but the tape disc holding the streamer on came loose. The rocket tumbled down from 700ft, however, it landed with no damage. The streamer took about 10 minutes to come down although it landed surprisingly close to the pad. I've now fixed it back on with some masking tape.

Recovery:
PROs:

  • Nice long shock cord
  • Effective crepe streamer
  • Good descent rate
  • Rocket survived coming down with no streamer without damage!

CONS:

  • Streamer attachment method

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
I think this is a great rocket from Semroc!

PROs:

  • Easy to build
  • Great flights
  • Amazing quality materials

CONs:

  • Streamer attachment method

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Chan Stevens [Who's Who Page] - 11/14/04) Semroc ThunderBee

Brief:
Very affordably priced single stage, 13mm minimum diameter kit. Very high performance--it will zip up to incredible altitudes almost instantly. This is actually a Semroc original, not one of their retro/repro Centuri designs.

Construction:
The kit came sealed in a plastic bag with a header card and included a serial number identifying its production number. Components were all very good quality and included:

  • ST-5120 body tube (basically a BT-5)
  • Balsa nose cone/screw eye
  • Laser-cut balsa fins
  • 1/8" launch lug
  • Kevlar®/elastic shock cord combo
  • Crepe paper streamer
  • Motor block
  • Waterslide decals
  • Motor casing, Q-tip glue applicator

Yes, this kit includes a motor casing (actually just a plain cardboard tube) and a Q-tip for applying glue up inside the body tube. Not bad for a $5 kit and that makes this a very good project for Cub Scouts and school groups. Cheap, easy, and includes the little gadgets to simplify construction that most of us experienced builders take for granted. This kit is definitely something that can be built in under an hour, plus paint/finish time. The instructions were clear, have plenty of good illustrations, and everything fit fine.

Being a minimum diameter kit, there's no motor mount assembly to work on. Instead, you just glue a motor block inside the body tube. Even though I usually use scrap balsa for this, I though it was neat that they included a Q-tip for this application. Keep in mind though that before gluing in the motor block, you must first tie the Kevlar® shock cord to the block. I really like the Kevlar® but this looked a bit light (maybe 90#) and I'm curious how it will stand up to repeated flights.

Fin preparation is pretty easy, since the fins for this (and all Semroc kits) are laser cut. After a light sanding, they're ready to bond to the body tube. There are 3 fins attached at the standard 120-degree rotation. Be sure to apply a good fillet on these, as the fins are tiny and there is a lot of stress when flying this on an A10.

The nose cone is a standard balsa nose with screw eye anchor. No additional nose weight is needed on this. This was a very nice balsa cone. Semroc really packs quality and value into their kits.

Construction wraps up with the attachment of the crepe paper streamer. It's a nice orange 1" wide streamer, although I think the small tape disk/dot for attachment is pretty flimsy so I upgraded mine to heavy masking tape at the base.

Finishing:
The instructions do a nice job of detailing out how to properly seal balsa; suggesting up to 3 coats of sanding sealer. I cheated and went with a single diluted coat of Elmer's Fill 'n' Finish, which I sanded down with 240 grit sandpaper.

After sanding down a coat of gray primer (used mainly to fill spirals), I followed up with a white primer base, then two coats of gloss white. The illustration on the header card shows a yellow base. I've never really had much luck with Krylon yellow and unless it's over pure white I wind up needing a lot of coats to cover up basic pencil marks or base coats. I found a can of safety/dayglo yellow though and decided to give it a shot. It looked GREAT and only needed a couple of coats. The bright yellow really stands out.

The kit also includes a set of water slide decals, which I think are an excellent addition to this kit. It would look fairly boring otherwise, but with the decals it almost looks like a bee.

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight:
First flight was on a fairly windy day, approaching 8-10 mph. I went with a 1/2A3-4. Despite the wind, this raced absolutely straight up and cooked to easily 400 feet. The streamer rolled out right over apogee and everything came back in great shape.

I have since flown it in calmer winds on A3s and A10s, both of which take it out of sight. For full As, I recommend using tracking powder to make sure you can spot it. Tempera paint powder makes great tracking powder as does crushed chalk (from a home supply store).

Recovery:
Perfect flights, no problems whatsoever.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
I've built a bunch of Semroc kits now and this one is one of my favorites. It's a great value, easy to build, and flies out of sight on a $0.75 motor. It doesn't get much better than that.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5


Rating
(by Craig Swinson - 10/30/06)

Brief:
This is a very light, quick build kit from Semroc that is essentially a 3FNC but with some head snappin' zip when matched with the right engine!

Semroc Thunderbee

Construction:
The parts list:

  • 1 14.7" length of BT-5
  • 1 Balsa sheet of laser cut fins
  • 1 Balsa nose cone
  • 1 Cardboard thrust ring
  • 1 Launch lug
  • 1 Screw eye
  • 1 Elastic cord
  • 1 Kevlar® thread
  • 1 Crepe paper streamer
  • 1 Tape section
  • 1 Empty engine casing
  • 1 Q-tip
  • 1 Decal sheet

This is a relatively simple kit to build. The instructions are straightforward and easy to follow. As this is a minimum diameter body tube that is quite long, there are some precautions to take:

  • Read the instructions first. It is a simple kit, but it does have a couple pitfalls if not careful.
  • Do not over glue the thrust ring. I let one of the neighbors build one and he got the thrust ring stuck about 1/2inch into the tube. He used too much glue and could not overcome the friction while trying to insert the thrust ring to the proper depth.
  • If you push too hard on the thrust ring, you can easily crumple the body tube. If you are building this kit with children, this might be a step for the adults to do for them.
  • The kit suggests rounding the fins, which is not a bad idea for bigger fins, but on this kit, they are fairly thin already so it doesn't seem to make that much difference.
  • In building a set of seven (with two failures) we tried CA, wood glue, and instant glue. It really didn't seem to mater all that much. All flew well and have held up for multiple flights.

The only thing that we did differently on construction was to fit the thrust ring without glue then glued it in place using the Q-tip provided.

Finishing:
There is a small decal sheet and the only real direction for finishing is the color cover that is a standard part of all Semroc instructions. I did one as factory as possible, then did a couple variations. I would highly suggest using colors that you can easily detect in a natural environment. Paint it white or blue, you will lose it in the sky. If you paint it green, camo, or any colors that exist in outside, then make sure you have plenty of spotters or some good eyes. Day-Glo or neon colors seem to work best (unless you live someplace very odd).

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight:
Since the engines were relatively cheap and readily available at my local hobby store, I bought a retail case and just kept launching and launching the different variations of the kits. (All flights used A10-3Ts.) In retrospect, some of the smaller engines might have been nice to try as this thing moves out on an A10-3T!

I tried a variety of different motor retention techniques and even tested motor ejections to see if it would impact recovery. My favorite method of positive retention is to use a 1/3 of an inch of masking tape just wrapped around the body of the engine. This was strong enough to hold the engine in place on every launch.

Prepping the rocket is straightforward but is a bit difficult as the tube diameter is so small. Using a pencil really aids in sliding the shock cord and wadding in.

All flights were very straight with arcs at apogee.

Recovery:
This rocket uses the "standard" Semroc small diameter shock cord. A length of Kevlar® string tied to the thrust ring. In turn the other end of the Kevlar® is tied to an elastic cord which is then secured to the screw eye attached to the nose cone.

The crepe paper streamer is pretty long and can be a bit difficult to pack into the body tube. In testing, this rocket will recover with no streamer and recovers very gently with only half a streamer.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
This is a very fun kit! It is easy and fast to build, cheap to feed, and gets some great height in a short period of time. I chuckle every time I launch the ThunderBee, it's just one of life's small pleasures. It's diminutive size belies a real fast mover. On 1/4A or 1/2A engines, I could see this being a nice back yard rocket. On the full A10, make sure you have some space.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
02/08 - "This was one of my first kit builds after getting back into rocketry after a 25 year hiatus. The quality is outstanding and was very happy with the way it all went together. I have flown this around 6 or 7 times now and have lost the streamer on a couple of flights (landing without damage). The heat from the motor has started to cause the paint to bubble." (S.G.)

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
08-15-2004 Tim Anderson Est SU A10-3 Didn't See
(700 ft)
0-5 mph winds - Way too high to see, however due to streamer size to tube size ratio, streamer didn't eject, painted a bright color still easy to see also due to size. (cut crepe streamer for next flight)
01-17-2009 John Bergsmith Est SU A10-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Club
- First flight and it was perfectly straight with good altitude. Ejection was perfect, streamer deployed. Recovered with no damage. Nice flying rocket.
11-13-2010 John Bergsmith Est SU A10-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Field QB
- Fast of the rod!
06-13-2004 Bill Eichelberger Est SU 1/2A3-4 None - Nose Cone Stuck 0-5 mph winds - Substandard engine mounting by operator allowed motor to kick out. Next time I'll tape it in better. Other than that a great flight, especially considering the size of the field.
09-16-2006 Matt Gillard Est SU 1/2A3-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds RIP - Perfect flight, much easier to follow than when flown on a full A. Status: Retired
10-05-2007 Geof Givens Est SU A10-3 Just Before Calm Event: Oktoberfest
- Blink and gone. Streamer was hard to insert and never untangled on ejection. Very hard descent; fin broke on landing. Fixed immediately with CA.
10-05-2007 Geof Givens Est SU A3-4 Just Before Calm Event: Oktoberfest
- Regal ascent. No good way to insert streamer. Extremely careful but only partial unfurling on ejection. Swift descent; undamaged.
08-19-2007 Chris Gonnerman Est SU 1/2A3-2 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - Good flight, but the streamer didn't slow it enough and it broke a fin. Semroc covered it under warranty, and I have repaired it and am planning another launch.
03-03-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU 1/4A3-3 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds - zips off the pad even on a 1/4 A.
03-03-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU 1/2A6-4 Didn't See 10+ mph winds - never saw it. i heard the whole flight, but only saw the first 20 feet. saw the streamer about 300 feet away.
03-03-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU 1/4A3-3 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds - hung up on pad so a low flight.
06-27-2008 Chris Halinaty Est SU 1/4A3-2 Just Before 0-5 mph winds Event: U-Prize 4
- Shotgun ejection--thrust ring pushed to top of body tube and engine kicked.
10-08-2010 Hans Michielssen Est SU 1/2A3-5 Apogee - NC Down Calm Flight PictureEvent: Schoolyard
- Even with a long delay on this old MPC 1/2A3-5m engine, I had too much drift. It landed between two lanes of rush hour traffic. Just a broken fin, it'll fly again!
06-04-2006 Mike Mistele Est SU 1/2A3-2 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - First flight for this rocket. Very quick off the pad, and lost it in the sun just after deployment. Didn't see it again until after it landed safely.
08-15-2006 Mike Mistele Est SU A3-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - Goes like snot. Saw whole flight and ejection, but then lost it. Found it in the grass after a 20-minute sweep. Turns out the streamer didn't deploy (wedged in the BT).
01-24-2010 Jason Orosco Est SU 1/2A3-2 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Nice flight.
07-15-2006 Ed Scientist Est SU A10-3 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Long HIGH flight real high for such a small motor..LOVE IT. Streamer brought it down slow real slow. Over a minute however the engine fell out at ejection so that is why. Great rocket no damage cant wait till next time.
10-29-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU 1/2A3-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - first flight, one fin was ripped off on recovery, I think it got tangled in the lines, and the streamer was slow to deploy, so it tumbled. Already repaired. Great flyer on small motors.
11-05-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU 1/2A3-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Streamer failed to deploy. Lawn dart landing, but was perfectly ok. The paper on igniter caught fire!? when ignition was pushed, and burnt part of one of the fins, bubbled the paint. Still flyable though.
11-05-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU A10-3 Very Early Calm - Way too early on the deployment, still going straight up at a very good rate of speed. A3-4T would be a much better choice I think. Gets off the pad in a big hurry with the A10-3T though.
11-05-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU A10-3 Very Early Calm - Trimmed stremer for this flight so it didn't stick in the body tube. Now about half the length. Comes down REALLY fast, but at least the streamer deploys. Really pleased with the performance even though it uses mini motors, more flights for your dollar!
11-18-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU 1/2A3-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds - Good flight, nice recovery. Motor always seems to kick out, even with lots of tape.
11-18-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU 1/2A3-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds -
11-18-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU A10-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - Lost sight of it shortly after ejection. Found it way up in a tree after a long search. Retrieved later in the evening with the help of some extra hands, a long stick, and a tall ladder...
11-24-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU A10-3 Very Early 0-5 mph winds - Avoided landing in trees today.
12-26-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU A3-4 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - Lost visual in clouds until ejection.
12-26-2005 Ben Shetler Est SU A3-4 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds -
04-29-2006 Ben Shetler Est SU A3-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds -
04-29-2006 Ben Shetler Est SU A3-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds -
07-24-2007 Ben Shetler Est SU A10-3 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Straight and high
07-24-2007 Ben Shetler Est SU A10-3 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds RIP - Rocket eating tree located, but too high up to salvage. Plus I think it lost a fin on the way up. Status: Tree/Roof
10-09-2004 Chan Stevens Est SU 1/2A3-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds -
02-05-2005 Chan Stevens Est SU A3-4 Very Early 0-5 mph winds - motor failure (was not a true 4-sec delay)
02-05-2005 Chan Stevens Est SU A3-4 Very Early 0-5 mph winds - motor failure (was not a true 4-sec delay)
06-11-2005 Chan Stevens Est SU A3-4 Very Early 0-5 mph winds - Ejection problem--blew at about 1, not 4
04-22-2006 Chan Stevens Est SU A3-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds -
09-06-2009 Chan Stevens Est SU A10-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds -
10-30-2006 Craig Swinson Est SU A10-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Perfect launch and ejection. Using Half streamer seems to work well.
10-30-2006 Craig Swinson Est SU A10-3 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - Flew one with no streamer. Came down fine. Motor was ejected. Would not use this method with motor retention.
10-30-2006 Craig Swinson Est SU A10-3 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - Used one built with the full streamer. Ended up walking a bit as the motor ejected and got caught on a thermal.
10-30-2006 Craig Swinson Est SU A10-3 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - Half streamer, engine eject. Still a bit of drift on a calm day.
10-30-2006 Craig Swinson Est SU A10-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Half streamer, motor retained is the best system. Less walking and a very acceptable decent rate. The fins actually offer some sail value to the system.
   

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