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Semroc
Lil' Ivan
Box 1271
Knightdale, NC 27545
(919) 266-1977
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SPECS: 8.7" x 1.64" - 1.6 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: A8-3, B6-4, C6-5

Rating
(Contributed - by Chan Stevens [Who's Who Page] - 02/06/05) Semroc Lil' Ivan

Brief:
Semroc has reintroduced the 1982 Centuri Cold War era Lil' Ivan. Sporting cool looking decals, this basic 3-fin design is a quick and easy build that's a reliable flyer.

Construction:
Semroc kits come in a sealed plastic bag and this one is a numbered edition. (Mine was #19, so I've probably just built a rare collectable.) Parts are very good quality and include laser-cut balsa fins.

Worth noting is that the original kit marked a departure from Centuri tubes, switching to the Estes BT-60 tubing and a PNC-60 nose cone (Big Bertha style). For the reintroduction, Semroc has gone back to the Centuri ST-1650 tube and a balsa nose cone.

Parts list includes:

  • 1 ST-1650 body tube
  • 1 Balsa nose cone/screw eye
  • 3 3/32" laser-cut balsa fins
  • 1 18mm motor tube with engine hook and block
  • 2 20/60 centering rings
  • Kevlar®/elastic shock cord combo
  • Crepe paper streamer
  • Waterslide decals
Semroc Lil' Ivan

Semroc instructions are clear and easy to follow with fairly helpful illustrations. This being a basic 3FNC kit is a very simple build and would probably rate between a skill level 1 and 2.

The motor mount assembly is a standard 18mm tube with 20/60 centering rings. The Kevlar® shock cord is anchored to the forward tab of the motor hook. This looked a little flimsy to me, but is probably OK. Still, I decided to play it safe and wrap it around the motor tube then slip it forward through the centering ring and bury it underneath the glue fillets.

Fin assembly is pretty easy thanks to the laser-cut fins. Semroc does about the best job of lasering fins I've seen out there. They are easy to remove without any significant burn marks present on the wood. Plus, they have a cool logo and rocket name burned into the pattern sheet. Fins are glued onto the body tube on a 120-degree pattern using a template in the instructions rather than a wrap-around marking guide. I tacked mine on with CA then used a yellow glue fillet. I finished up with a second fillet of white glue. I find that this shrinks and bubbles less than yellow glue, providing a better looking finish.

All that's left of the construction is attaching the launch lug, installing the streamer (which is attached via a tape disk), and putting the screw eye into the nose cone. I'd suggest a heavier-duty attachment method for the streamer like maybe reinforcing it with masking tape.

Finishing:
This model is a breeze to finish. The balsa nose and fins take a bit of work if you want to fill the grain, but for this one I just went with a couple of coats of primer and lots of sanding. I then applied a third coat of primer, sanding down with 600-grit wet/dry paper.

For the top coat, I used two coats of gloss white following the standard scheme. I think the red Russian decals against the white background really are a sharp effect.

The waterslide decals are very good quality but thin and light on the coloring. As easy as this one is to build, you might be tempted to rush the decal application, but be sure to wait at least 48 hours for the paint to fully cure before applying them for the best appearance.

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight:
Given its fairly tiny size, I went relatively conservative for the first flight with a B6-4. (Normally, I jump right to the max motor choice.) On a clear day with light winds, this raced off the pad though at a weird 15 degree angle but straight the whole way. Ejection was at apogee and the streamer popped out but did not unfurl. Fortunately, it landed in soft grass and there was no damage.

Looking over the streamer, my guess is that it bent and crinkled a bit on the edges when I pushed down the nose cone and this prevented it from unrolling. The streamer is actually taller than the gap between the base of the nose cone and the centering ring, so flight prep and packing is tricky.

For the second flight, I tried wedging the streamer down into the motor tube a little bit, and went with another B6-4. It cooked straight up without a trace of spin, so I'll attribute the funky first flight to motor failure. This time the streamer came out and unfurled just fine though it still came down a bit fast for my comfort. I'd recommend loading at least a 9" chute for future flights but switch back to streamer for using C motors, which would easily send this over 700 feet up.

Recovery:
PROs: Flies great.

CONs: The streamer fits a bit too tight, and it could stand a chute instead.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
Cool decal and Bertha-like styling make this one of my favorite Semroc kits. I'm going to have to pick up a couple more for bashing, maybe even going 24mm on the next one.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


Rating
(by Peter Davidson - 01/23/07) Semroc Lil' Ivan

Brief:
This is a nicely detailed Semroc retro-repro clone (KV-49) of Centuri's 1982 Lil' Ivan (#5353) that incorporates modern technological advances like laser-cut fins and Kevlar-mounted shock cord. It reminds me of the Estes Baby Bertha but I feel this Semroc kit to be superior in terms of quality and looks.

Construction:
The parts list is covered in Chan's review so I won't elaborate here.

This is a great, easy 3FNC kit to put together with no 'gotchas' during the construction process. As has been the case with all my Semroc kits, the components are absolutely top quality and everything fit into place beautifully. Semroc continues to provide a beautifully detailed color booklet containing the build instructions that are so easy to understand that I'm of the opinion they only need to be read once or twice for a novice to get the gist of them.

Semroc Lil' Ivan The motor assembly is constructed by inserting the motor hook into the pre-cut slot in the 18mm motor tube. After gluing the thrust ring into the top of the motor tube in front of the motor hook, the two cardstock centering rings are then glued into place as per Semroc's measurements. Once this was done, I deviated from Semroc's instructions to loop and tie off the Kevlar® cord to the motor hook and instead tied the Kevlar® around the motor tube between the centering rings. I then threaded the free end of the Kevlar® through a small notch that I had cut into the front centering ring and ran a white glue fillet over the Kevlar® where it was tied on to the motor tube. (I believe this method will make the shock cord potentially less prone to recovery failure.) I also applied white glue fillets to both sides of each centering ring where they are positioned on the motor tube. Once that was done, I glued the completed motor assembly into place inside the body tube using white glue.

I then proceeded to slightly roughen up the body tube with 240 grit sandpaper to enable better glue and paint adhesion after which I tackled the fin marking steps. Fin marking is provided by a fin guide in the instructions booklet consisting of a circle with hash marks by which the end of the body tube is placed on the circle and the hash marks used as a guide for fin position markings. I then gently loosened the laser-cut fins from their balsa sheeting and gently airfoiled the fin leading edges with 360 grit sandpaper for improved aerodynamics. From there, I tacked the fins on with medium CA, following this up with white glue for multiple layers of fin fillets. Following on from this, the launch lug was added. Finally, I also applied thin CA to the top of the body tube so as to lessen the chances of the Kevlar® causing any body tube zippering during recovery.

Semroc Lil' Ivan With the exception of using CA to tack on the fins and stiffen the top of the body tube, I used Selleys PVA white glue throughout the construction process.

Finishing:
This rocket I found to be almost a no-brainer to finish to a nice, pleasing standard. I filled in the balsa fin grain and the balsa nose cone with two applications of NHP Micro-Fill model sealer which nicely sealed all the balsa smooth and then gave the rocket two coats of Tamiya Fine White primer with light sanding in between using 400 grit sandpaper. I followed this up with an initial coat of Tamiya Pure White enamel gloss all around. I let the initial paint application cure for 24 hours and then lightly wet-sanded all round with 800 grit sandpaper after which I gave the rocket a second coating of Pure White. This made the finished paint job silky smooth. I did not bother with clear coating the rocket in order to keep the rocket's weight down and also because I am wary of any enamel-based clear coat possibly dissolving the applied paint.

After having allowed the paint to cure for a full week, the lovely red-colored waterslide decals were then carefully applied. I found these to be quite durable and easy to apply.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
Motor retention is by use of a short and springy motor hook which has shown itself to be quite durable.

Wary of the seemingly frail Semroc-supplied crepe paper streamer for recovery, I substituted a 12' Semroc parachute with a small spillhole cut into it instead (please see my Specific Rocket Tip) and prepared the rocket for its maiden launch. The first flight was with an A8-3 motor with two squares of recovery wadding. This was hooked up to my Estes Electron Beam controller and the rocket soared into the sky with a beautiful straight boost to around 150-160 feet with a seemingly perfect apogee at ejection and a beautiful descent with its parachute deployed. Most impressed with this maiden launch, I had unfortunately run out of A8-3 motors so I decided to take my chances with an A8-5 motor.

The second flight with the A8-5 was just as great as the first but using an A8-5 was most definitely a bad choice as ejection was very late and the rocket was about 20 feet away from the ground by the time ejection occured. The rocket still landed gently and appeared to have not suffered any damage.

It was only much later that I noticed the rocket had a small gouge in the nose cone which may have likely occured during the second flight. Since then, I have stuck with A8-3 and B6-4 motors as per Semroc recommendations.

Semroc Lil' Ivan

Recovery:
The Kevlar®/elastic recovery system has proven to be very reliable and has held up to repeated flights without problems. The use of a 12" parachute, even with a spillhole, has enabled the rocket to make nice gentle landings every time although I would like to try using a 9" parachute--if I can obtain one!

The one thing I would nitpick this rocket for is the provision of a streamer for recovery as the streamer material is a rather frail crepe paper which could easily catch on fire if not enough recovery wadding is used and/or a motor with an over-zealous ejection charge is used. The streamer will also be unlikely to slow the rocket sufficiently for a relatively gentle landing thus making fin breakage quite likely to happen.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
The Semroc Lil' Ivan is a marvelously improved recreation of the original Centuri kit and one which is sure to impress rocketry novices and BAR's alike. The top quality components make this an awesome, fun little rocket to put together and the finished product with its marvelous Cold War era decals are guaranteed to bring a smile to any rocketeer's face. You definitely can't go wrong with the Lil' Ivan.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
02/08 - "Typical Semroc kit, great quality. The balsa nose cone, and laser cutting were perfect. The other thing that impressed me was the instruction booklet that included the full size fin pattern. Easy, and fun to build." (J.B.)

GUEST's OPINION:
01/08 - "The quality of the components of this kit really struck me. Their balsa nose cones are second to none and the laser cut fins were perfect. The only thing I did to this rocket was switch to a 12 inch nylon parachute. It is a little tricky to get everything into the rocket but it is well worth it as well as it flies. This will be a favorite rocket in any fleet." (D.K.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/06 - "This is a fun little rocket, though I concur that there just isn't much space for the streamer in the body tube. I also concur that the streamer doesn't seem to slow it enough...on the maiden flight for mine, she came down hard enough to pop a fin off (and that was with landing in grass). I'm replacing the streamer with a small parachute." (M.J.M.)

[Enter Rocket Specific Tip]

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
10/07 - "Fun little rocket. I love watching this one on a C6, it really scoots. I also substituted the supplied streamer for a 12" Semroc chute w/ spillhole. Much better arrangement for this rocket. Things worked out well, since I also had a Semroc Javelin from a previous order. The Javelin really needs a streamer, yet comes it with a chute. The Ivan needs a chute, but came with a streamer. So, I swapped the recovery devices from each of those rockets, and it works out perfectly." (C.Z. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
10/06 - "I substituted the streamer on my Lil' Ivan (SLUF) for a 12' Semroc chute with spillhole, this has enabled the rocket to descend fairly quickly but to land more gently than a streamer would have allowed. Am yet to suffer snapped-off fins." (P.D. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
10-26-2008 John Bergsmith Est SU C6-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - Another great flight, straight high boost. Most likely just under 1000 feet.
07-11-2009 John Bergsmith Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Good motor for this rocket, solid performer. I likey!
02-14-2006 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - Great first flight, nice straight boost to 400+ feet. Great streamer recovery, bounced on landing and landed back upright. No damage.
02-14-2006 Donald Besaw Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - Awesome flight, excellent boost to maybe 1,000 feet. Great streamer recovery, landed close to pad. This is one awesome little rocket. No damage.
07-05-2006 Donald Besaw Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Very nice flight, nice straight boost up to maybe 1,000 feet. Excellent streamer recovery, landed close to pad. No damage.
03-25-2008 Donald Besaw Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Great flight, nice straight boost to maybe 1,000 feet. Moderate drift on recovery. No damage.
10-22-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds Event: Albert Park Lake (AUSTRALIA)
SLUF - Great maiden launch. Nice straight-up flight, no recovery dramas as streamer replaced by 12' chute with spillhole.
10-22-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-5 Very Late 5-10 mph winds Event: Albert Park Lake (AUSTRALIA)
SLUF - Drag-racing one of Andrew Scott's scratch-builds. Another great flight but bad motor choice as ejection occured quite close to the ground. Gentle recovery, no damage.
10-29-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds SLUF - A nice easy launch, great to watch. No recovery dramas.
10-29-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds SLUF - A repeat of the last launch with the rocket this time reaching at least 400ft. AWESOME!!!
11-05-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Dandenong Wetlands (AUSTRALIA)
SLUF - Nice flight, straightforward recovery.
11-05-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Dandenong Wetlands (AUSTRALIA)
SLUF - Awesome flight!!! Rocket tracked dead-straight in flight (even with high winds) to around 400 metres, lovely graceful recovery though the rocket did drift nearly 200 metres.
12-28-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds SLUF - Wind test, very nice flight. No recovery dramas.
12-31-2006 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-3 None - Parachute Fail 0-5 mph winds Event: End Of 2006
SLUF - Wind test, nice flight. Parachute didn't deploy upon ejection and the rocket flat-spun back down to land in soft grass. One fin slightly wobbly after landing, will fix.
04-01-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm SLUF - Great flight!!! Rocket boosted itself off the pad arrow-straight, faultless recovery. No damage.
04-15-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Dandenong Wetlands (AUSTRALIA)
SLUF - Absolutely superb flight, rocket boosting off the pad arrow-straight. Faultless recovery close to the launching area, no damage.
06-17-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU B6-4 Didn't Record Calm Event: Dandenong Wetlands (AUSTRALIA)
SLUF - Great flight for the SLUF but the ejection charge failed and the rocket lawn-darted. Nosecone slightly gouged upon impact, no damage to the body tube or fins. Will be an easy fix.
08-12-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds SLUF - Very nice flight with flawless recovery. Managed to catch rocket in hand during its descent.
08-19-2007 Peter Davidson Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Event: Dandenong Wetlands (AUSTRALIA)
SLUF - Fantastic flight on a C6-5, nice initial recovery. Kevlar shockcord broke as the rocket neared the ground with rocket subsequently lawn-darting. Amazingly both nosecone and body retrieved with no damage, will try to fix shockcord.
04-06-2008 Peter Davidson Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds SLUF - First flight of the repaired SLUF. Excellent flight with nice recovery, no damage upon retrieval.
04-06-2008 Peter Davidson Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds SLUF - Awesome flight, fast and high. Excellent recovery, no damage upon retrieval.
08-05-2006 Clive Davis Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - Very high boost. Great little flyer. I like the streamer recovery on this little guy.
08-05-2006 Clive Davis Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - Another great flight. Very solid performer. I can't imagine this thing on a C6-5.
08-22-2006 Clive Davis Est SU B6-4 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Great boost and recovery. One of the fins snapped off (kids retrieving the rocket for me?). It will be a pretty easy fix.
09-07-2008 Chris Gonnerman Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - The chute ejected right at apogee, but did not open... until it was about 15' above the ground! It came back without a scratch.
07-19-2009 Chris Gonnerman Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Went up fairly high for a short fat rocket, then proceeded to drift across the street and land on the neighbor's porch roof. Recovered AOK.
06-18-2008 Mark Grisco Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - nice flight. streamer is perfect.
06-18-2008 Mark Grisco Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - little ivan rocks on a C. broke a fin.
06-25-2008 Mark Grisco Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - nice flight, broke fin.
03-16-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU A10-0 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - flew this with a a-10 booster+ a-8-5. i built this with a longer body tube. perfect boost and stageing maybe 50 feet. my first two stage.
03-16-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU A10-0 None - Unstable 0-5 mph winds - a-10 booster + c-6-7. it went about 40 feet then went unstable. the sustainer lit with the rocket pointed almost straight down. core sample but not as much damage as i thought there would be.
03-18-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds - my lil ivan with longer body tube. weathercocked a little. nice flight.
03-18-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds - windy. my extened lil ivan weathercocked some. 3 inch streamer is nice but broke a fin.
04-09-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU A10-0 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - A-10-0 booster + extended little ivan with a C-6-7. i added some nose weight since last attempt with a c-6. this time it worked perfectly. staged at about 35 feet then the sustainer really ripped on the C-6.
04-17-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU A10-0 Late (2-3sec) 5-10 mph winds - my b-16 boosted little ivan. weathercocked on the booster. the b-4-4 sustainer lit at an angle. cool flight, long recovery walk. broke fin.
06-09-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Fun little rocket. Not much room inside. 8 chute seems perfect for this rocket.
06-30-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Nice flight.
06-30-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Another great flight.
08-18-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Nice flight. Fun little rocket.
09-16-2007 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Fun flight.
06-01-2008 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Nice flight and recovery on 8 chute.
11-01-2008 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Event: CMASS Section launch
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01-10-2009 Bob Harrington Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: Winter Follies
- Broke fin loose landing on the ice. repairable
02-25-2006 Wayne Hill Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - Fast off of the launch pad. Cute rocket. Comes down a bit hard on streamer needs small chute.
01-05-2008 Dan Krause Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Sod farm launch
- Great flight! wind almost sent it to the trees but it landed 10ft short:) Can't wait to fly this great rocket again!
04-09-2006 Mike Mistele Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - Really shot off, almost out of sight. Excellent deployment, but the streamer wasn't enough to slow her down, and a fin popped on landing. Am repairing the fin, and will replace the streamer with a small parachute.
06-04-2006 Mike Mistele Est SU A8-3 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Good flight. Clean deployment...had swapped out the streamer for an 8 chute with a spill hole, which seems to be just about right.
07-13-2006 Mike Mistele Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - Low flight (not enough engine), but good deployment and recovery.
09-02-2006 Mike Mistele Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - WOW. Just rocked on this motor. Even with a spill hole in the chute, really drifted; landed on a driveway two lots down from the park. Even though it landed on blacktop, no damage.
07-10-2010 Mike Mistele Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds -
07-10-2010 Mike Mistele Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds -
09-05-2010 Mike Mistele Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds - This rocket soars on this motor. Drifted quite a ways, but landed safely.
01-24-2010 Jason Orosco Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Nice flight.
02-18-2006 Ben Shetler Est SU A8-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - First flight. Using parachute instead of supplied streamer.
02-18-2006 Ben Shetler Est SU B6-6 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds -
02-18-2006 Ben Shetler Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Nice flight, higher then I thought it would be.
03-05-2006 Ben Shetler Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Slightly breezy, smaller field, but an easy recovery with the A8.
03-05-2006 Ben Shetler Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds -
01-01-2007 Ben Shetler Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - First flight of the day. Nice Performance.
12-28-2008 Ben Shetler Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds -
02-05-2005 Chan Stevens Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - 15 degree angled trajectory, most likely motor failure
02-05-2005 Chan Stevens Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Perfect flight
03-20-2005 Chan Stevens Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds -
   

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