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REV 2.4 - Thu Sep 8 18:02:27 2011

Quest
Super Eagle
PO Box 2409
Pagosa Springs, CO 81147-2409
(970) 264-4050
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SPECS: 50" x 1.38" - 3.5 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: MISSING - please submit here
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: B6-2, B6-4, C6-3, C6-5

Rating
(Contributed - by Douglas Gardei [Who's Who Page])

Quest Super EagleBrief:
The Super Eagle Kit is designed to take the higher impulse 18mm D size motors by Aerotech.

Modifications:
This is the second Quest Quick Kit I have built. From the first one I know that the motor mount construction is a bit flimsy. The only thing that is preventing the motor from shooting up inside the rocket is two plastic tabs. My concern is what will happen when those tabs melt down via the ejection charges of the motors used? If that happens, nothing will prevent the motor from launching, leaving the rocket behind. Due to this concern, I decided to beef up the motor mount.

The supplies needed for my modification:

Quest Super Eagle The motor mount is mounted inside the two plastic halves of the rocket. In order for the centering rings to fit, the plastic tabs used to support the motor tube have to be removed. I did this with a sharp hobby knife. I noticed that the 18mm tube was too wide for the centering rings to fit over them, so I replaced the Quest motor tube with an Estes tube (which the rings were designed for anyway). I glued the thrust ring into the forward end of the motor tube. After checking the alignment, I glued the centering rings to both ends of the motor tube, giving enough space between the rings to clear the plastic centering rings on the fin can halfs. (See photo).

The fin can was then finished using plastic cement according to the instructions. Since paper centering rings are now used, the plastic motor retainer can not be used. Any motor used in this rocket will have to be friction fitted into the motor tube.

Quest Super EagleConstruction:
The Super Eagle comes with three lengths of red tubing, one shorter than the other two. The majority of plastic parts in this kit are red. These parts include the fin can halves, four fins, nosecone, two tube couplers, shock cord anchor, and the black support ring and motor retainer. Also included is a blue 18mm motor tube, Kevlar and elastic cords, two 14" parachutes with pre-cut shroud lines and tape disks.

The rest of the rocket assembly was straight forward. The fit of the plastic tube counplers in the body tube is a bit loose, so alignment is an issue when gluing the tubes together. Also, care has to be taken to make sure the launch lug tabs are lined up with each other. The nose cone section also had a loose fit, but a couple wraps of masking tape fixed this.

Finishing:
The rocket does not require painting, and the decals were easy to apply.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

LaunchFlight:
March 1st, while helping out with the Team America Rocketry Challenge, I got the opportunity to try out my Super Eagle. I loaded the model with a Quest C6-3 and Estes wadding, packed both chutes, and placed the rocket onto the launch pad. The flight with the C6-3 was wobbly. It went about 200-300 ft, and both chutes deployed. The rocket was recovered without any damage. I thought about trying the rocket with a D13 on or D24, but I decided against it due to the small field size we were using. The D motor flight will take place at the April CMASS launch.

Flight Rating: 3 ½ out of 5

Summary:
I believe my two improvements to the kit: upgrading the motor mount and tying the payload section to the booster is a good idea. The rocket is underpowered with the C6 motor, and leaving the two sections seperated is an invitation for loosing something. If I build another Super Eagle, I would probabily opt for a 24mm or a 29mm motor mount. With some reinforcements to the fins, I can see this rocket flying great with an G40-10W.

Overall Rating: 3 ½ out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by John Lee [Who's Who Page] - 01/11/10) Quest Super Eagle

Brief:
QuickKit, 4FNC, 18mm motors, Parachute Recovery

While being bummed out about having various projects under construction or repair and still being unable to work on anything in my available time due to drying glue, paint, etc, I decided that one more wouldn't hurt and looked for an easy one near the top of the stack. The Quest Super Eagle was the "winner".

The Super Eagle is a Quick Kit that goes together quickly and easily. It is a 4FNC design with an 18mm motor mount and intended for separation and recovery in two parts, both under parachute.

Construction:
The first step given in the instructions is to tie the end of the Kevlar thread to the end of the elastic cord with an overhand knot. The opposite end of the Kevlar was then supposed to be slipped through the loop on the plastic fin can and secured with a pair of overhand knots used as stoppers. Instead of doing that, I tied the Kevlar to the loop.

The instructions then called for inserting the preslotted motor tube into half of the plastic fin can and then sliding the other half of the fin can in place and cementing the two halves together. Although my kit seemed to be sealed when I opened it, the motor tube was already in place and the two halves of the fin can were together and being held in place with the provided end ring. It was not cemented. I pried apart the two halves and applied Plastruct to cement them together.

The instructions next called for me to use tube type cement to glue the lowest of the body tubes to the fin can. Instead, I used a few drops of epoxy and also used the epoxy to further fasten the end of the shock cord.

The fins were of plastic and were slotted to be received by the slots in the plastic fin can. I had some trouble with 3 out of the four and needed to do some trimming with a razor to get them to fit. When I did, they slid into place and I secured them with Plastruct instead of the recommended tube cement.

The kit comes with two plastic couplers to join the body tubes which are identical in every respect. It also comes with a single read plate designed to be glued into one of the couplers. I used Plastruct again and then fitted the coupler into what would be the foremost of the body tubes. As with the rear tube, I used a drop of epoxy to make the connection.

The instruction say not to glue the nose cone into the body tube. Presumably this is so that the forward section can serve as a payload bay. Since I don't do payload flying, I almost went ahead and glued it but I decided it would hurt nothing to leave it free. I did test fit the nose cone into the forward tube and found that it was extremely loose. I fitted a piece of masking tape onto the shoulder of the cone and it then fit nicely. That completed the payload bay

It took a while to get back to the Super Eagle after getting to this point because life got busy and because I needed a long piece of 1/8" rod to align the launch lugs before gluing the coupler into place. I had 12" pieces lying around the shop but I needed a long piece for this long rocket. When I got a standard rod, it was a simple matter to mix a few drops of epoxy and smear them onto the inside of the body tube. The upper section of the tube was then pushed into place and the rod was used to align the lugs before the epoxy set.

With that, construction was done but I had a slight modification to make.

The kit is designed to recover in 2 sections. I prefer to bring it all back down together. With that in mind, I tied an extra 20" of elastic to the elastic already provided and then tied that to the nose cone.
Finishing:
The rocket was mostly pre-finished. The fin can, couplers and nose cone were all molded from red plastic. The body tubes were already red. All that was needed in the way of finishing was the application of some stickers.

I am not a fan of crack and peel stickers but they are appropriate for a kit of this level. That said, the ones I received were of good quality and nicely complemented the existing colors. Four blue rings of white stars were applied around the BT at locations indicated by the face card.

Four US flags were provided. I placed one on each fin.

The last stickers were a pair of name logos. One was applied to each side of the lowest section of body tube.

With that, my Super Eagle had only to wait for the next launch window.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
The day of the maiden flight arrived and it was cold and still. I installed a 15" nylon chute and loaded an Estes B6-4 motor. It was then taken to the pad and set up. Lift off looked good with the rocket going straight up. It was a nice, fairly slow takeoff. The coast phase looked pretty good as well. It did not go very high and started to arc over. Ejection occurred when the rocket was horizontal and the chute deployed perfectly. It drifted down and landed a few yards from the pad.

For the second flight, I wanted some more power and I had a new bag of Quest C6-3s sitting handy so I reloaded with one of those. I set up next to the beautiful Dr. Zooch Soyuz that Stu Young had gotten for Christmas and I was glad to wait a bit so I could see it fly. My turn came after waiting a bit more so we could all help to find the pieces of the Soyuz that had its Kevlar burn through. Then it was time. The motor ignited and the rocket lifted even slower than before. The rocket started out fairly straight. It soon started to lean into the direction of travel, though. It was like the motor was struggling to keep it going fast enough. It was easily horizontal or ever a bit down pointing as the coast phase began. It was definitely point down when ejection occurred. It came down safely but it was a bit of a near thing.

For the third flight I wanted to use an Estes C6-3 to compare it to the Quest version. Thus one was installed and it was taken to the pad for its third flight of the day. Ignition occurred right when the button was pushed and it took off well, not much faster than it had with the Quest motor. It boosted straight and did not arc over. It soon passed the altitude to which the Quest motor had taken it. It then coasted a good deal farther. Ejection occurred while it was still moving up but the chute was good and it came home safely.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
Overall, this was a nice simple kit that looks reasonably good with its precolored parts. The performance was not stellar but it had close to a perfect profile on the B6. The Quest C6 was disappointment but the Estes C6 worked perfectly. My supposition is that this bird was designed and the motors specified when the Quest ones still came from Germany.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

Other:
Persons wishing to keep track of this rocket can do so here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23694991@N03/collections/72157622765370685/

 

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GUEST's OPINION:
05/07 - "I think Quest has changed this model slightly. It now comes with two body tubes instead of three, and no payload section. It is 41 inches long. Anyone else buy the kit recently to confirm or refute this observation?" (D.P.)

GUEST's OPINION:
07/05 - "Flew for the first time yesterday with C6-3. Great boost and recovery on one chute. I tied the nose section to the booster shock cord to keep from losing it, and went with one chute to bring it down faster. May switch to a 15 incher as it comes down fine, just a tad fast on one stock chute. I will try lengthening the shock cord as the front of the booster tube got pretty bunged up in just a couple of launches, maybe because of the short ejection charge." (H.A.F.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
10/03 - "The Quest Super Eagle is MADE to up-power to 24mm. One very strong design. I carefully sandpapered away most internal structure in the ready-made fin can with fine grit paper wrapped around a old Estes E9 casing, until I could just fit an Estes "E" motor tube inside, with motor block and engine hook. The motor mount was set in place using 5-minute epoxy (also used for the rest of the build). Recovery: 18" LOC nylon chute on 8' of para cord. Fast, frozen rope boosts on E30-7 or F21-8. 24mm PerfectFlite altimeter showed 1380' on the E30-7." (L.B. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
01-17-2010 William Beggs Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: Alamogordo Regional
- Let Amari Martinez load and fly the rocket. It was a perfect flight. Great job Amari!
06-03-2006 Donald Besaw Qst SU C6-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Excellent first flight, nice slow and straight boost to maybe 300 feet. Recovered nicely on a 12 inch nylon chute. I'd love to try a D21 in this at some point. No damage.
07-03-2006 Donald Besaw Est SU C6-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Excellent flight, seemed much higher this time as I think the Estes motors have more power than Quest motors. Recovered close by on a 12 inch nylon chute. No damage.
07-15-2006 Donald Besaw AT SU D21-7 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Very nice flight, really bolted off the pad. Very long walk for recovery. Gotta love 18mm composite Ds in this kit. No damage.
07-30-2006 Frank Broughton Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds Event: BBB06
- Nice flight, plain jane rocket.
04-19-2003 Douglas Gardei AT RMS D13-7 None - Unknown 5-10 mph winds Doug - Great flight. Less wobble than the flight with a C6.
06-27-2008 Chris Halinaty Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: U-Prize 4
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01-09-2010 John Lee Est SU B6-4 Late (2-3sec) Calm Flight PictureEvent: Alamo Rocketeers Monthly Launch
- Maiden flight. Flew well but underpowered. Ejected safely but late
01-09-2010 John Lee Qst SU C6-3 Late (2-3sec) Calm Flight PictureEvent: Alamo Rocketeers Monthly Launch
- Again, under powered. It flew well but the motor had a hard time sustaining lift.
01-09-2010 John Lee Est SU C6-3 Apogee - NC Down Calm Flight PictureEvent: Alamo Rocketeers Monthly Launch
- Perfect flight. Estes motors better than quest for this rocket
08-21-2010 John Lee Est SU B6-4 Late (2-3sec) 5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Alamo Rocketeers Monthly Launch
- Low flight. Interesting to see all the events up close
08-21-2010 John Lee Est SU C6-3 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Alamo Rocketeers Monthly Launch
- Good flight
11-15-2003 Ron McFerren Est SU C6-3 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Meghan's Clifford Rocket - Great first flight for my 4-year-old daughter's latest rocket. Angled into the wind a bit. A couple of the shroud lines separated from the chute. But the rocket still landed fine with minimal damage.
03-20-2004 Ron McFerren Est SU C6-3 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Meghan's Clifford Rocket - Another great flight for this rocket. Recovered on a single Rockethead Rockets 18-inch chute.
03-05-2006 Ron McFerren Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Meghan's Clifford Rocket - Love the way this bird flies! (C.R.A.S.H. launch)
09-11-2005 Chris Muir Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Even though the sky was bright clouds, could see this all the way up. Fun flight.
09-30-2006 Chris Muir Est SU C6-5 Didn't Record 0-5 mph winds -
09-30-2006 Chris Muir Est SU C6-3 Didn't Record 0-5 mph winds -
05-15-2010 Joseph Olexa Est SU C6-3 Didn't Record 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - First flight for the Super Eagle. It's 41 inches long but got high enough altitude for me. Parachute ejection with soft landing with no damage. Great flight! Rocket is on pad 8 in the photo.
06-27-2010 Joseph Olexa Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm Flight Picture - Another good flight for my Super Eagle. Smooth, straight flight with parachute eject and soft landing about 50 feet from launch pad.
07-24-2010 Joseph Olexa Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Monthly Launch
- Another good flight for the Supereagle. Straight smooth flight with parachute eject and soft landing about 150 feet from launch pad
08-22-2010 Joseph Olexa Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm Flight PictureEvent: Monthly Launch
- Good flight from the Super Eagle. Smooth straight flight with parachute eject and soft landing. Nice Flight!
10-17-2010 Joseph Olexa Est SU C6-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Monthly Launch
- Great flight with soft parachute landing about 150 feet from launch pad.
12-19-2010 Joseph Olexa Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Monthly Launch
- Another great flight for the Super Eagle. Parachute ejection at apogee and soft landing. Using nylon parachute instead of the plastic one supplied with kit.
03-02-2003 Chan Stevens Est SU C6-3 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds -

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