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REV 2.4 - Tue Aug 17 09:26:16 2010

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Unique Rocketry
IgniterMan Kit
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[Picture](06/15/99) I saw the IgniterMan Igniter kit on a post at RMR and replied for more information. Liked what I read and ordered the kit directly from Unique Rocketry. (Note now you can ordered directly from The Hobby Connection where I purchase my RMS reloads). The kit includes 4 small bottles. One IgniterMan Conductive Primer, one IgniterMan Pyrogen, one Sealer and one Oxidizer. The Oxidizer is combined with the Pyrogen in order to make the igniters.


CONSTRUCTION:

IgnitersThe instructions are clear and easy to follow. After a series of warnings about the flammability and the need for adequate ventilation the steps necessary to make igniters follow. The steps outline making igniters for Black Powder motors like Apogee, Estes and Quest. Then addition steps to make igniters for Composite motors. There are some suggested wire sizes to use for various sizes of motors.

Unique Rocketry suppled some AWG 22 solid zip wire to get me started. I made 11 igniters from this wire, all about the same length as North Coast's igniters.

The process is easy. Strip the wire and line up the bare ends with a even gap of ~0.008 and 0.015". The instructions suggest using a spark plug gapper or feeler gauge. I used a feeler gauge on a few and then used my eye.

PicOnce stripped, the wires are dipped into the Conductive Primer until they are covered completely with the black primer. After this you should measure the resistance. The instructions say that between 1.5 and 10 ohms is normal for a properly dipped wire. Most of the eleven I dipped came in at 4 - 5 ohms. The others measured at 8 - 9 ohms and two were > 25 ohms. I re-dipped those and they came down to 4 - 5 ohms.

After the ohm check you are supposed to dip them in the sealer. I did this and let them dry over-night (only need 20 minutes). When I got up, I re-measured the resistance and all the ones that came in between 4 - 5 ohms were now between 2 - 3 ohms and the rest were also lower. I don't know if this is expected, but it happened.

PicThe next step is mixing the Oxidizer with the Pyrogen. This makes a very grainy and heavy mixture. I mixed it with a small flat screwdriver. The instructions are very clear in saying that shaking is not enough. This is especially true after the mix has set for a while. I would suggest making 10+ igniters at a time since you loose some of the mixture on your stirring device.

Once mixed, I began dipping my igniters. I stirred this mixture every few dips. Re-measured the resistance per the instructions. None seemed to change. After letting the Pyrogen dip dry for 1 hour, I dipped them in the sealer. Voila' . . . igniters ala Nick.

The finished igniter tips were wider and longer than NCR's and that concerned me. The smallest nozzle throat I could pass any of my new dipped igniters through was a F39. This was a concern to me.

IgnitersI purchased some 24 gauge 4-strand telephone wire and used it to make my next 10 igniters. Similar results all around. I also purchased some 30 gauge insulated wire wrap wire from Radio Shack. I twisted the pairs together using a drill as described in the instructions. I made 8 of this size igniter and now had successfully dipped some that would easily slid into a D9 nozzle throat.

Overall, for CONSTRUCTION I would rate this kit 4.5 points. Although I have nothing to compare it to, I found the Pyrogen mix to be the most challenging part. To obtain a perfect 5 rating, I don't want to have to stir it. However, don't let this deter you. Just recognize that this is a required step and take your time.

When using twisted pairs of wire, make sure of two things; 1) they are is at least 5 turns per inch and 2) that you strip both ends before dipping. If you try to strip the launcher end after dipping the igniter it may be disturbed enough to loss good contact. I had this happen after the primer dip.

FLIGHT/RECOVERY:

FlashThe instructions indicate that a 12V system is required. I use the Estes Command Controller with two 7.2V batteries for a 14.4V system. I tested one of the igniters on a garage floor. Upon ignition there was a large flame ball and flash. Then a visible and audible crackling of the remaining igniter head that lasted for less than 2 seconds.

I have used 10 of these igniters on various 29mm and 24mm reloads. They have all fired the motor on first pop. I never had a puff, puff, puff, whoosh ignition either. All were, 3...2...1...whoosh! The best display of the igniters happen when using the 30 gauge in my three 24-mm cluster THOY Snipe rocket. I successfully ignited all three E18's!

For recovery . . . yes, there is a recovery mode. For recovery, the wires can be reused. Simply snip the end, strip the end and dip the end where the previous igniter tip was. This was not possible on the 30 gauge igniters as they crumbled and curled from the motor exhaust.

For FLIGHT/RECOVERY, I would rate this kit 5 points. Haven't had a single failure. Can't be better than that.

I asked Unique Rocketry about thinning the mixtures and here is the response: "Yes, the pyrogen can be thinned with acetone to suit the motor application. It can also be thickened by allowing some of the acetone to evaporate. The solvent used in all three bottles is acetone. The same is true of the Conductive Primer. After several igniter dipping sessions, users will have to add a bit of acetone to the IgniterMan Pyrogen and Conductive Primer to maintain the consistency. I have a couple of users who make igniters for their Apogee motors. They say they have to thin the Primer and Pyrogen in order for the igniters to easily fit into the slots of the Apogee motor grains."

Overall, the IgniterMan kit is a win with me. For the $30 I have made about 30 igniters. That has already brought the price down lower than most purchasable igniters. However, the important fact is that I barely started using the mixtures. Unique Rocketry says I can get 500 igniters out of this mix. I probably can't with my dipping technique, but I'm sure I can get 200. Doing so would drive the cost per igniter down to $0.15 note including the wire. This is outstanding! I give the kit an OVERALL rating of 5 points.

UPDATE 4/00 - A couple of tips for sucessful clustering.

1) Make certain the date of motor manufacture is identical for all four motors. At the very least, make certain the two opposing motors have the same date of manufacture. Doing this eliminates the motor aging variable. Also it's highly doubtful the formulation changed at any time during that day.

2) Match the physical size of the heating element formed by the Conductive Primer Dip. Also, match the DC resistance of the finished igniter to with in 0.5 ohms. This will minimize any igniter ignition skew.

3) Make certain to use a battery which can supply ALOT of current WITHOUT having its output voltage collapse. A sealed lead-acid gel cell, motorcycle battery, or car battery works great. You want to be able to dump lots of power into that little thermal head so it heats up VERY fast.

Following these three steps will help insure all motors fire and come up to pressure at the same time. Steps 1 and 3 should be followed regardless of the brand of igniter used. - Robert Briody (Unique Rocketry)


(by Kerry Garrison courtesy of WildRocketry.Com)

Peter Riddel at Space Modeling Solutions in Arizona recently told me about a new igniter kit called IgniterMan. This kit lays claim to use just about any kind of wire and still be more reliable than anything else out there. That is a mighty big claim to make so I had to try these out. I ordered a kit from Peter and awaited it's arrival. The kit came in two days later and I couldn't wait to kick out a few igniters as I had a monthly club launch coming up.
 

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Fig 1. Supplied Parts

 
 

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Fig 3. Different Size Igniters

The kit comes in four sealed plastic vials. You start by mixing the powdered oxidizer into the pyrogen mixture. As soon as you have that mixed up, you are ready to start. To begin with, take some two-pair wire and strip off about 1/4" of insulation. You should have a spark plug gaper handy to help get the cap down to under .025". Basically, you want them as close as possible but not touching, the closer the better. That's right, no soldering or other wire preparation, just strip and dip.

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Fig 3. Dipping the igniter

You start by dipping the wire into the conductive primer. After a few minutes you can check the resistance to make sure it is between 1.5 - 10 ohms. If you are over, try re-dipping the wires, usually adding a little more primer solves the problem. Once you are satisfied the resistance is good, you then dip the igniter into the vial of sealer. If you are using small wires, such as wire wrap wires, and you plan on using these to light some black powder motors, you are now done. The primer will get hot enough to light the BP without any problem.

If you are making these for composite motors, you next dip the igniter into the pyrogen. The pyrogen mixture settles quickly so you need to stir it up every few minutes. The mix can also dry out. Since the solution is acetone based, simply put in a few drops of acetone, stir it up and you are ready to keep dipping. Figure 3 shows several different sized igniters as shown in the kit's instructions. Figure 4 shows a typical igniter during each phase of construction. Pic
Fig 4. Different Size Igniters

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Fig 5. Lighting an Igniter

Ok, so the kit is easy to use, but how does it perform? As I mentioned at the beginning, I built these igniters to use at an upcoming launch. When we arrived at the launch after a week of heavy rain, the wind was blowing too hard to launch. The launch the next two weekend's were canceled. In the long run, the pre-made igniters ended up sitting in my range box in the garage for five weeks during extremely wet and cold temperatures. 

Saturday, March 11th comes along, out to the Lucerne Dry lake for some of the best flying conditions I have ever seen. We ended up passing out about 25 igniters to people. One igniter had the pyrogen break off while trying to shove it into the nozzle. On another, the pyrogen simply didn't light. On 23 others, the results were a bit different.

I put one into a G35 in my LOC Legacy, as soon as the button was pushed, the rocket jumped off the pad. Next I tried a small one in an E15 using a scratch built rocket, again the motor lit instantly.

I will let people's comments tell the rest of the story:

I did use your igniter but it was in an I284 instead of the J275 I thought I was going to use it in. Even better though, is that I was drag racing Steve Todd with our Lunar Express Jr.s. He was using a Firestarter. And the winner was..........me with the Igniterman! Yes! - Kurt

I had a hi-rel fail prior to getting the Igniterman from you. The Igniterman worked great and I noticed the ignition seems "snappier". There was less of a wait after the countdown before it lit. I'm impressed and will probably get the kit so that I can start making my own. - Allen

Very fast to light, went off the pad as soon as the button was pressed, a good product. a real "MUST HAVE PRODUCT" - Colin (who used it on an H180 in a LOC Hi-Tech H45 for his level 1 certification)

I would have preferred to try it on a WL or BJ motor, as it would have been a more strenuous test. But the igniter lit the motor instantly, with no hesitation at all. It was excellent. - Joel (Scratch built rocket on an I300)

We had a good day with the exception of a couple of igniter problems. Thanks Kerry for the Igniterman demo igniter. I'm sold. - Allen, Bryce,Ian

There you have it, and that was just a small sampling of the comments and experience we had with the igniters.  I must say these igniters do the job as claimed. Not only are they reliable, you can use just about any kind of wire. The igniters built for this test included phone wire, speaker wire, wire-wrap wire, and some unknown thing I found in the garage. This is a killer product that does what it claims and does it well! 

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GUEST's OPINION:
08/02 - "I feel the same as the reviewers above. I've mainly used the #30 Wrap wire from Radio Shack. My wire stripper, on the thinnest setting will effectively strip 2 strands together. My biggest gripe about the kit is the little plastic bottles. I think that they should be Glass, or at least you should be advised in the instructions that the Acetone evaporates through the plastic bottle. If you don't use the kit for a month, you come back to an almost dry mud which needs almost total rehydration with acetone. In fact, I don't know if the Pyrogen will work if it's been dried to that extent. I've had 100% reliability with more than 4 dozen igniters." (S.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"I bought a kit from Igniterman (Robert B.) I LOVE THEM!!!!!!!!!!! I have used them on everything from B6's to J's and NEVER had a failure. I used to use electric matches but they didn't always work (for me) on white lightning reloads (yeh, I know about bending the head to make better contact). You don't have to use "special" wire, solid conductor zip cord is all you need (or wire wrap wire). I do _not_ worry about igniter failures any more." (D.D.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"I finally had a chance to use my IgniterMan kit last weekend, at the Austin Area Rocketry Group's Rockamole Regional. I had an apogee 1/2A that kept burning igniters. After two attempts I used one I made with the kit and 30ga wire wrap wire. Instant ignition! I also used one to light an Apogee C10. Instant ignition again (and a great C Egg Loft time, > 2 minutes!). I can't wait to try them on some bigger engines! Also, since you can make the igniter leads as long as you want, the 30ga ones would be great to use with a piston launcher." (A.M.)

   

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