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REV 2.4 - Tue Aug 17 09:23:56 2010

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Grymm
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SPECS: 15" x 2.88" - 16 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: E15-4, F72-10, G55-10

[Picture] (01/20/01) Well, as I write my third review in this series of "stubby" rockets, I am a bit disheartened since just before I flew this bird, RocketVision closed their doors to business. Once the Grymm was announced I immediately ordered one anticipating "Rugged Rocket" in a design that I very much enjoy . . . "stubby". This is the smallest in diameter and height in this series of rockets that were around 3 inches in diameter. These reviews compliment my 2.6" and my 4" collection. So, this one, along with the LOC Onyx™ and the Estes Big Daddy™ allowed me to complete a comparison.

Rocket PicThe Grymm qualifies as a "stubby" rocket because it is 15" long and has a 2.88" diameter giving it a less than 10:1 ratio (5.2 to be exact).

The review below describes the kit components and the build of the rocket very well. I will only describe a few findings of my own.

CONSTRUCTION:

My centering rings were not out of round, however, I did need to sand both the inside and outside edges to gain a good fit. Not a lot.

I found the fin assembly a bit tough. It worked out fine, however because the fins did not go all the way to the motor tube they wanted to position themselves based on the cuts in the frame. The instructions say to use masking tape to hold in position. That is a must.

Also, be very careful not to get excess glue on the fins new the back of the rocket. This will prevent you from sucessfully seating the rear centering ring.

The instructions for the Grymm are adequate and have a few illustrations to help with assembly. No real big surprises.

Some major positives include the "spiral-less" body tube. The recovery system and attachment methods (works much better in this larger diameter tube than in their smaller tubes). The included motor retention system was also easy to assember and doesn't limit the motor length like an Estes hook does.

Rocket PicFor finishing, it is simply a prime and paint rocket. No pesty spirals to fill and the nose cone has some level of roughness to it already. I used Plasti-Kote Sandable Primer and then followed it up with Walmart's $0.89 yellow paint. Worked great. (additional comments about Walmart paint). After that I started with the decals. I disagree with the assessment of them by the reviewer below, because I found them thin and had a difficult time with them. I did get the name and one set of fins done and they look very nice.

Overall, for CONSTRUCTION I would rate this kit 4 ½ points. Instructions are adequate and the components are of good quality and fit. The tabbed-through-the-wall fins and motor retention are nice. The decal thinkness takes just a tad off.

FLIGHT/RECOVERY:

This was another of the rockets that got shipped to fly in Arizona. We had planned a vacation to Arizona and it just so happened that there was a launch on 12/23/00. So I packed this rocket and 3 others into a box and shipped them there. I had to rely on the vendor at the launch for motors and since it was a Tripoli High Power launch, there was not much selection for 24mm motors. I was able to purchase a three-pack of E28-7's which allowed me to fly the Grymm.

I prepped it using the provided Heat Shield and was ready to go. Up went the Gyrmm for its maiden voyage. The E28 lifted it off the pad, not a pop as with the lighter Big Daddy™, but a commanding lift off. Straight and no rotation. The big fins made it very easy to see all this. It arched over, a sun bean hit it causing a reflection, it seemed to hang there horizontally, the the ejection charged deployed the 'chute and the rocket came down to be logged as a "picture perfect" flight.

RocketVision's recovery system is nice with the included Heat Shield and the split rings attaching everything. The parachute is above the nose cone and to me, that gives it a more realistic descent (as opposed to a model).

For FLIGHT/RECOVERY, I would rate this kit 5 points. This is only based off of one flight, however, as I am highly confident that others have had good success and if not they will report it in Guest's Opinions. It has a nice recovery system and the parachute was sized correctly.

Overall, the Grymm is another great "stubby" rocket and even more so as it has one of the lowest ratio's I have ever seen, 5.2:1 (note the Estes Fat Boy is 4.9:1). Its quality materials and ease of finishing make it a leader. It is a same that RocketVision has closed . . . but if you ever see this one offered by another company, go for it! I give the kit an OVERALL rating of 5 points.


Rating
(Contributed - by Kevin Johnson)

Brief:
Short and fat Rugged Rocket.

Rocket PicConstruction:
Component List:

  • 1 2.88 inc ABS nose cone
  • 1 2.88 inch phenolic body tube 11.75 inches long
  • 1 1.2 inch phenolic motor tube 5.5 inches long
  • 2 1/8 inch G10 centering rings
  • 4 1/16 inch G10 fins
  • 1 1/4 inch plastic launch lug 3 inches long
  • 1 24 inch rip stop nylon parachute
  • 1 10 inch square Nomex® chute protector
  • 1 24mm cardboard motor tube insert
  • 1 Engine hook
  • Kevlar® rigging
  • Cardboard shock cord mounts
  • Color waterslide decals

Rocket PicI ordered the Grymm direct from RocketVision via their web site. The kit came bagged with a cardboard insert protecting the decals. The sub-assemblies (recovery, centering rings, fins, etc.) were individually bagged as well. The instructions are color printed and include a lot of text for the 13 steps and 3 illustrations. The instructions give you a web address for general assembly photos and animations, but it is not up and functioning yet on RocketVision's new site. The construction steps are straightforward and well described. With the exception of using epoxy throughout, the kit goes together much like any model rocket.

Rocket Pic In dry fitting the parts in my kit, I found the centering rings were oval and not true circles. I had to mark and sand them repeatedly to get them to fit into the body tube at all. Because I don't have access to power tools, it was very laborious to hand sand those thick fiberglass rings. The nose cone fit was also a little tight and required some sanding.

Other than that, the remaining components fit well and the build went smoothly and quickly (with waits for the epoxy to set). The tolerances on the through the wall slots in the body tube were much better than on the previous 2 rugged rockets I have built. They required only rough sanding to prepare them for epoxy. Tools required were sandpaper, 6 minute epoxy, hobby knife, and paint.

Finishing:
The color decals included in the kit are awesome. They are big and thick and look great. I highly recommend RocketVision's decal service, and hope they get it up and functioning on their new web site soon.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
Unfortunately, due to high wind on our launch days, I have only logged 1 flight with the Grymm. The recommended motors are AT 24mm E15-4, F72-10 and G55-10. Predicted altitudes are 1100, 2200, and 3000 feet respectively. For the maiden flight I chose the E15-4. Prep was very easy using the included Nomex® protector. It fully sealed the BT and made a pocket just right for the 24 inch chute and Kevlar® rigging. Boost was fast and straight, with ejection past apogee (darn bonus delay!). I can't wait to fly it on an F!

Rocket PicRecovery:
The final length of my 3/32 inch braided Kevlar® shock line was about 42 inches. I was a little wary about the shock cord anchor, cardboard epoxied to the inside of the BT and nose cone, but it held up well. The rocket was travelling pretty fast on ejection, and the chute filled with a loud POP! The descent rate was just about right and the model landed about 25 yards from the pad, in some tall brush. The hot pink chute made it easy to find.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
All in all this was a great kit to build. I love the big fat tube and stubby appearance of Grymm. High quality components and "fly it through a wall" ruggedness will make this one a frequent flyer at our club launches. PRO's: Ease of construction and simple layout. Great looks and decals are top notch. CON's: Centering rings out of round, iffy attachment points for shock cord.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
01/02 - "I ordered a Grymm online a couple days before RocketVision closed up shop. I figured I would never see it, but it turned up a few weeks later. It had so many problems, it took me months to get around to building it: body tube too long by 3/4" with ends not cut square, fin slots 5/8" too long, CRs oval, fins only 3/64" not 1/16", chute WAY too big (maybe intended for a Pegasus?), so I just put it away until I decided what to do with it. Also, it seemed like such a beefy rocket to put 24mm motors in, as I live in Australia and E's are the largest readily available in 24mm. Eventually I built it with a 7" length of PML 38mm MMT. This allowed the (flimsy) fins to go all the way to the MMT, at the expense of 1/8" of semi-span. I circularized the CRs and opened them up to take the 38mm tube, and bonded the supplied 1/8" kevlar(R) directly to the MMT, run through a small hole in the top CR. I JBWelded two threaded PCB standoffs to the MMT, inside the back CR to allow small bolts for positive motor retention. The excess length of body tube was cut off (I has to square both ends anyhow), sectioned, and epoxied inside the BT to close off the bonus fin slots, which were then filled with West epoxy+low density filler. I did not use the small piece of cardboard to attach the shock cord to the nose cone, I roughed up the inside and used a small patch of glass cloth with thickened resin. Finally, I figured that with 38mm motors, the standard lugs would be woefully inadequate, so I used the new Acme rail guides. Complete with recovery system (appropriately sized PML chute - cos I has one handy) it weighs 17oz unpainted. This is a lot more than standard. Not sure why as there's not THAT much epoxy in it! I probably won't use the decals, they're a great design, but I got the ultra-thin ones. This is an interesting kit, I look forward to seeing how it flies. My only worry is the very thin fins. I won't get to fly it for a few weeks, I will submit some photos when I do." (S.M.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/01 - "I have a Grymm and have flown it on both a E18-7 and A F39-9. Both delays were too long, and should be 4 and 7. It flies great, but best on an F. The E had a good chute and came back nicely, but the F failed to deploy the parachute. It fell from 1500 Ft unaided. This would tear most models apart, but the Grymm...Oh no, not the Grymm. It just bounced and was fine. I basically had the same experience as this reviewer, but I haven't put the decals on, and I painted it lime green." (J.N.C.)

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12-23-2000 EMRR AT RMS E28-7 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds RIP - First flight. This was picture perfect. Good recovery. Broke apart at home! Arg! Status: Not Repairable
   

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