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REV 2.4 - Mon Feb 21 17:12:05 2011

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Lil' Nuke
P.O. Box 470396
Broadview Heights OH 44147
(330) 745-9755
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SPECS: 29.5" x 2.26" - 13 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: 29mm: F50-9, G40-10, G80-10; 24mm: D12-3, E30-7

Rating
(Contributed - by Tim Burger - 09/01/06) LOC/Precision Lil Nuke

Brief:
A stylish yet standard three fins and a nose cone rocket for 29mm and smaller motors. Heavy body tube and rakish plywood fins make for a tough and fun to fly rocket.

Construction:
The kit was neatly packaged in the standard clear plastic bag, with the motor tube floating around in the airframe tube, and a nylon chute, pre-cut plywood fins, rings, and launch lug inside a zip-lock bag. The fins are excellent quality, well cut, warp free, and the sharp ends taped to prevent damaging other parts of the kit. The instructions are clear but limited to a single 8 1/2 by 11-inch page. It's a simple kit and elaborate instructions are unnecessary. The other side of the page serves as the package facing and some advertisements for other kits. The recommended motor list includes the D12-3. Since just the parts stacked on the scale weigh in at over 10 ounces and since epoxy is recommended throughout, I seriously question success with a D12. My first guess at finished weight, sans motor, is in the 13 ounce range, which puts it over the recommended weight for a D12-3.

Construction is pretty simple: glue the rings to the motor tube, glue the motor tube into the airframe, glue the recovery loop into the airframe, glue on the fins and lug, and voila!

LOC/Precision Lil Nuke The kit makes no provision for motor retention nor does it provide a motor block. The instructions explain that a mount with no motor block is very versatile allowing any motor to be used and describes how to provide a thrust ring using 1/2-inch masking tape. No arguments there! They also explain friction fitting the motor to prevent it kicking. I have some misgivings about friction fitting motor casings, especially expensive reloadables, so I added a pair of holes and blind nuts in the aft ring to provide positive motor retention. A couple of bucks at the local hardware store will buy a pair of blind nuts (or T-nuts), a pair of knurled-knob screws, and a pair of cast aluminum screen retainers, which combine nicely to make a tool-less motor retainer.

The body tube is pre-marked for fin and launch lug locations. All that is required then is gluing up! I deviated from the instructions slightly by gluing a fin onto the airframe tube while gluing the rings onto the motor tube. The tube was then turned over and fillets added to the other side of the rings; I added the second fin at the same time. The third fin was added and the blind nuts were glued into the aft ring. The mount was glued in at this stage and fillets added per the instructions. A dot of masking tape was used to keep the epoxy out of the nut threads. The shock cord mount and launch lugs were added next at the same time as one of set of fillets was added to the fin roots. The remaining fins were filleted to finish. This deviation in order is simply to save on time and limit epoxy waste.

LOC/Precision Lil Nuke From long experience with launch rods, I've learned that a single long launch lug can be problematic especially on much used rods. Any crud or even slight bends in the rod can cause the lug to bind producing all sorts of undesirable things including (but not limited to) rod whip. Because of that, I cut the 4-inch long lug down to 1-inch sections, extended the reference line, and placed one section at the bottom and another near the CG. The remainder was tossed into the scraps box and will no doubt find its way onto another project. I also added a set of rail buttons, carefully mounting the buttons over the centering rings.

The fins are surface mount and I was a little disappointed with that. This is a pretty stout kit with a heavy wall airframe and plywood centering rings and fins, and I feel that through the wall construction would make this rocket complete. I even considered cutting new fins with tabs. In the end, I decided that it wouldn't be seeing that much action and went with the kit's stock fins after rounding the leading and trailing edges with the belt sander. It would also have been a shame to waste the packaged ones anyway.

I was also a little disappointed with the shock cord mount. While sound in idea (a loop of nylon fixed to the inside of the airframe in a pool of epoxy), the material is short of expectation. Even the Quest kits come with a Kevlar cord and I would prefer that over nylon. I had a bit of trouble with the anchor, as the knots were a bit hard to get fully covered with epoxy to produce the smooth bump necessary to prevent the recovery system from snagging on it as it exits. I've heard some remarks about the elastic shock cord, but I can find no fault with it. This one is good quality and sufficient size that it should last a good while providing enough wadding is used. It's also easily replaceable by simply untying it from the anchor loop and nose and tying in another. One could also easily swap it for a more typical tubular nylon or Kevlar cord.

The parachute is very nice and made of nylon with heavy nylon cord for shrouds..

I also made a 24mm adapter from scratch parts. LOC indicates that a kit can be had from them if desired. A home rolled one is easy to do, a six inch section was cut from BT-50H from Totally Tubular stock, a six inch section of 29mm cut from stock (from the same source) and 3/8-inch ring also cut from 29mm stock. A 4mm slice was taken out lengthwise of the six inch long 29mm tube and was glued using yellow glue to the 24mm stock. The ring was then glued onto one end, allowing an 1/8-inch to hang over (to allow for the thrust ring on 24mm reloads), and finally a motor block was glued into the 24mm tube at the correct location for E9 and F21 motors. A 1-inch piece cut off a spent motor is used for a spacer when using short D and E motors.

Finishing:
The only thing in the kit that even suggests a color scheme is on the label.. There are no decals. The builder is left to his or her own devices and imagination for finishing.

The spirals are minimal, so I went directly to primer after sandpapering the nose cone with coarse sandpaper, the body with medium grit, and the fins with very fine sandpaper. The nose looked pretty bad after the first layer of primer with scratches and "hairs" sticking out everywhere. This was expected and is done on purpose to get the primer coat to stick to well to the plastic. It was sanded again, with a bit finer paper this time and primed again. The whole thing was sanded again, the imperfections and finger prints were worked on until smooth and then another layer of primer was applied. The whole rocket was sanded until very smooth with 400 grit paper. I wanted this to have a cool finish, so I popped for a kit of Duplicolor Mirage color changing paint. It goes on in three steps: several coats of primer, then a dozen or so thin coats of color coat (the more layers, the more effect), and finally three layers of clear protector coat. This is a lacquer and the coats are quite thin but there are many of them so it comes out fairly heavy as paint goes. It's also very shiny and has a deep looking finish due to the number of layers. I added some pinstriping on the sides and fins and my usual construction date, motor list, etc., on the side near the lug before the final coats of clear.

One could go a bit wild here, sand it with 800 or finer grit paper, wax, polish, etc. I stopped at gloss mode on this rocket...it won't be used to break any records or anything and it looks fast just laying there anyway!

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
It was flown on February 21st at the club's launch on an AT E18-4. Fast, loud, straight, and cool flight! That pretty much says it all. All future flights will be made by my nephew.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
The flight performance makes up for everything I've been whining about!

PROs:
  • Nice parachute!
  • Love the simplicity.
  • Love how tough it is despite surface mount fins!
  • The rakish fin design gives it a fast look even when it's just laying there.

CONs:

  • Through-the-wall fins would make this an A+ kit. They take a little more work but are worth the effort.
  • I'm less than thrilled with the nylon shock cord anchor.
  • No decals or anything to dress it up

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5


Rating
(by Paul Gray)

Rocket PicBrief:
The Lil' Nuke is a mid-power rocket part of LOC/Precision's Novice Kit series. It is single staged with a 29mm motor mount.

Construction:
The instructions of this kit were rather explicit. The assembly order was logical, but as far as I can remember, they did not have any illustrations. The kit came with all of the parts including an enormously thick paper body tube with lines pre-drawn to mark the fin locations. I was surprised to find that this kit did not have the through-the-tube fin attachment method. This disappointed me because I believe that mid-power rockets need the extra strength that a through-the-tube fin attachment method has. I used 30 minute epoxy throughout construction. Since I had to epoxy the root edges of the fins directly to the body tube, it made construction more time consuming. I had to stick one fin, and let it dry for hours before moving on to another fin. The fins were slightly warped. I also did not like the shock cord attachment method. However, I decided to use it anyway trusting LOC's design. The shock cord mount consists of nylon rope tied into a loop and epoxied against the inside wall of the body tube like the old Estes paper shock cord mounts. Many people have had separations with this type of shock cord mount on rockets of this size. Good epoxy is mandatory for this type of mount.

Finishing:
The thick body tube that came in the kit has spiral grooves that are deep and highly visible even with the primer and paint. I would highly recommend filling these spiral grooves with Elmers Carpenters Wood Filler or something similar. Otherwise, a normal finish will work just fine. The kit did not come with any decals. I tried making mine look pretty by painting it purple with yellow Monokote trim.

Construction Rating: 2 out of 5

Flight:
I flew my Lil' Nuke on an AeroTech F22-5 reload. LOC doesn't recommend any reloadable motors for this kit, so I had to make a judgement call here. However, I had to put two ounces of clay weight in the nose so that it would be stable on this motor. A RockSim file that I made for the thing showed that without the nose weight, stability would be marginal. I didn't like having to add more weight to the model as it would lower its performance potential. But then again, safety has to come first. I used a T-nut motor retention method. The instructions tell you to friction fit the motor with masking tape, but I really do not think that is very smart with composite motors of this size. It required wadding since the rocket is too small for a motor tube that is long enough to take a mesh baffle unit. The F22 boosted the rocket nicely and left a thick black smoke trail. With the nose weight, the boost was straight enough to please the crowd.

Recovery:
The shock cord was a long elastic shock cord. It was long enough for this rather heavy rocket. The parachute that came in the kit was 14" in width, certainly not big enough for a safe recovery. In fact, the sink rate of this rocket with a chute that small would probably be so high that it would create a recovery hazard. I used a 24" parachute on mine, and even that did not bring it down slow enough to prevent any damage. I picked the rocket up from the tall grass and found that one of the fins had come off.

Flight Rating: 2 ½ out of 5

Summary:
Overall, I was not very pleased by this kit. I thought that the components were excellent, but the overall design was not adequate for the type of rocket it is. I do not think that this kit would be a good first mid-power rocket because it is not designed to meet typical mid-power rocket standards. I would suggest that the following improvements be made. It should have through-the-tube fins, a better shock cord attachment method, a bigger parachute, and the rocket should be made longer so that it is more stable.

Overall Rating: 2 out of 5


[NAR][Sport Rocketry]

The following excerpt is from "Sport Rocketry". The intention is to allow guests to get a basic feeling about a kit. We strongly suggest that you get a copy of the referenced Sport Rocketry and read the entire article. Inside you will find many helpful hints in construction as well as other useful information. For more information, use the two links above.


(Sport Rocketry - Sep/Oct 1998 - page 32 - by Richard Wartick) 

"Although the company caters to experienced hobbyists who enjoy flying big rockets, they produced a medium sized rocket called Lil' NUKE . . ."
"Lil' NUKE is the basic three fins and a nose cone design, therefore building it is fast and easy."
". . .this 29-inch long, two-and-one-quarter inch diameter rocket becomes an excellent learning tool, and a "doorway" into the world of higher power rocketry."
". . . instructions contain only one cutaway illustration, the step-by-step directions are easy to follow."
". . . fin alignment lines and a launch lug mark are already on the tube."
"LOC/Precision recommends the use of epoxy . . ."
"Use the point of a pin or small nail to make a series of holes along each pre-marked line. . . . the epoxy will flow into the holes and grab deeply into the body tube, forming epoxy 'rivets'."
"A distinguishing feature between this kit and smaller ones from other manufacturers is the recovery system."
". . . LOC/Precision supplies a heavy duty nylon fabric chute."
"All components used are of high quality . . ."
"Prior to launch, attach a small weight to the nose cone eyelet to insure stability."
"I fly my model with Aerotech E15-4W and E30-4T motors . . ."
"Descent is very fast with the stock parachute. I prefer to use a larger size chute to bring it down gently."

The entire article gives the impression is that this kit for a nice entry kit into "E" motors and higher.

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
06/06 - "Had this kit built for nearly 2 years, and just got to fly it last weekend (UKRA06). Lost my AP virginity to it, and loved every minute of it. First flight on a F25-6W, which was superb; second flight on a G40-10W, which flew out of sight, then drifted 2 miles before landing (the winds were VERY strong). Got it back both times unscathed. A FANTASTIC 1st AP rocket .... solid and as easy to build as an Estes kit .... highly recomended!" (D.W.)

GUEST's OPINION:
02/02 - "The review didn't really make sense to me- I had the complete opposite experience. This was my first mid-power rocket kit, and I built it very simply, according to the instructions. No special glues or anything, just straight 5 minute with 30 minute fin fillets. I've punished it on everything up to an H220T and it has survived great. My favorite motor is the AT F40-7W reload- great flight to ~2000 feet (although the H238T is fun also). This rocket has separated and come in ballistic to have cracked a fin- no problems with the shock cord mount. A little 5 minute epoxy and it flew again the same day. Overall, this is an excellent kit for anyone venturing into high power or for those of us tired of flying K, L, and M motors." (D.R.)

GUEST's OPINION:
02/02 - "Great rocket, very robust. I used sixty minute epoxy thickened with kevlar pulp and the epoxy rivets. There is no way these fins are coming off the paper tube will rip or tear first. It will fly on a large range of motors and delays. When I lose this one or it dies I will be getting another one." (S.B.P.)

GUEST's OPINION:
01/02 - "This is a great little rocket. I've had two (both lost to rocket eating trees), and I've never had a complaint. If you use epoxy rivets (drilling a little line of holes down the line where the root edge of the fins will sit so that the epoxy will flow into the holes and create "rivets"), the rocket will be rock solid. If you don't beat up on it too much, the rocket should last a long time. I've flown mine on E15, E30s and an FSI E60 and it's a great flyer. I've heard people fly a Little Nuke on very big motors stock, so it's a tough little flyer. The only improvement I could see with the kit would be to add positive motor retention and perhaps use fiberglass strips at the fin roots, going from fin to fin to build up a "fin canister". Oh yeah, I have a kit for #3 in my appartment somewhere ;-)" (Y.L.)

GUEST's OPINION:
01/02 - "After revíing up my skills on model rockets, I wanted something which would take me to the door of Level 1 certification. After looking over this kit, I felt it looked like a good fit for my needs. It was easy to assemble with 10 minute epoxy. There are only two small diagrams in the instructions, but the instructions are on the back of the package front, which has a good enough picture for me. I have a standard paint scheme, so didn't worry about following the pictures I've seen. I tried epoxy putty for the first time for the fin fillets. Wow, great stuff and it can be easily sanded. I'm sure you'd break the fins before getting the fin roots to break. I going to practice a little before I use it again because the final fillet was much better than the first. As a cautious launcher, I stepped the rocket up one engine size at a time, starting at a D12-3 and ending at a G40-10. I have no doubt that this guy would be comfortable at much higher power. My favorite is the included fluorescent pink parachute, which is visible at apogee with the G40-10, even though the rest of the rocket is virtually impossible to see. It looks like a bright pink dot." (DMVL)

GUEST's OPINION:
12/01 - "I would just like to add a couple of comments about this rocket and LOC's Novice series in general. First the shock cord mount -- My first reaction was -- do what !! I tried it anyway -- Guess what it works - We have used it in my son's Onyx, a scratch built 2.6" rocket weighing about 2 lbs, and a VB38. None of the mounts have failed. In all 3 rockets I used NHP (National Hobbies Products) 5 minute Epoxy and it works great. The 2.6" rocket made about 10 flights on G80's and H 180's. Final flight was on the small Cesaroni J. Coupler was on too loose -- drag separation at burnout - pieces of rocket went everywhere -- shock cord mounts stayed intact. Secondly - the fin mounting - I have not tried the "epoxy rivets" method. Sounds good and I am going to try it on the Lil Nuke. I have used "dado slots" instead. This involves cutting slots about half way through the tube and tacking the fins on with medium CA and filleting with epoxy. I have used this method on the VB38, the PML Nimbus, and the Onyx. No fins lost yet despite some hard landings." (J.T.E.)

GUEST's OPINION:
09/01 - "A great kit for the step up into mid-power. Being my first non-model rocket, I was all nerves when building the Lil' Nuke, not because it was difficult, but because I was afraid I was going to screw something up and CATO the poor thing. As it turned out, I need not have worried. It turned out fine, even without the benefit of TTW fins. No big deal. I used 90 minute epoxy (overkill) and as a result, it would take a heck of a hit to loosen those fins. The only problem I had was with the shock cord installation. I followed the instructions, but neglected to test the nose cone for fit before I epoxied the cord mount in. The nose cone has a deep set shoulder and bumped up against the mount when I first tried to install it. A little sanding around the bottom of the nose cone shoulder and I was back in business. Just measure the nose cone for clearance before you glue and you shouldn't have a problem." (B.E.)

GUEST's OPINION:
08/01 - "The Lil' Nuke is one of the toughest, most indestructible rockets I know. If you build it with 30min or longer epoxy and stick a streamer in it you can take it supersonic repeatedly. I've personally flown a Nuke on E30, F40, G40, and H238 motors (all on the same day). The H238 easily tops 4000 feet. I've seen a Lil' Nuke built properly fly and recover over and over on H220, H270, and I385 motors. All of these were either transonic or supersonic flights. No fiberglass or anything fancy is required." (T.P.)

GUEST's OPINION:
08/01 - "I have built 2 of these kits and I like it very much, a well designed, well produced and well priced kit flow on everything from Estes D's to Aerotech G125's with no problems. One of my favorites." (J.R.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/01 - "Matt Lemons of AHPRA built a Lil' Nuke several years ago...'glassed the fins on, cut the bottom off the nosecone, did NOT put any motor mount in it, and flew in on a K1100 AT motor...unfortunately, the delay was a bit short, and it separated, BUT he did find the airframe and motor casing...it survived!" (R.Z.)

GUEST's OPINION:
02/01 - "I really love my Lil' Nuke - I used 5 min epoxy and also drilled small holes in the body tube for the epoxy to seep into and make epoxy rivets. I've launched mine on D12-3 and Aerotech E15-4 motors. No extra weight added to the nose and it flew straight and true Although, with the D12-3's it was a slow liftoff and didn't go more than a couple of hundred feet. This makes for a nice demo launch for school-yards or small parks. Next launch will be with a "F" motor. Can't wait." (T.B.)

GUEST's OPINION:
11/00 - "IMO, the Lil Nuke is a fantastic rocket, especially given that it is reasonably priced. Granted, the tube does require spiral fills, if one is so inclined. I've flown mine numerous times on E SU and reloads, as well as F24-7 reloads without any problems. There's even room for Kaplow-style motor retention. For good measure, I drilled a series of 1/32 holes on the lines for fin placement. This will allow the epoxy on the root edge of the fin to seep inside the airframe and form little "rivets" to better anchor each fin in place. I used 15 minute epoxy for fin mounting, and 30 minute for fillets. I have yet to have a fin break off as of yet." (B.C.)

GUEST's OPINION:
11/00 - "I assembled this rocket with 5 min epoxy, no holes under the fins, and it held together fine, at least on the F52-8 engine. It was last seen disappearing against the clouds of a G64-10. I don't recommend G power unless you have VERY good tracking eyes." (R.P.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"This is a very cool rocket, I launched it on a North Coast engine, and it looks very nice in flight. The problem, I used weak glue (first high impulse without through the wall) and the fins came off sometime during the flight. Couldn't find them, but amazingly, it still went up perfectly straight and high! I made custom fins that looked kind of neat, they were forward swept, but it flew away during recovery on that flight. I loved that rocket." (B.W.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"Rocket Flies very nicely and to my ideal height with average F motors. I've used as small as an F14, which isn't a very authoritative launch, but does work. When you install a G motor in it, it'll be semi-hard to track, because you get a lot of altitude." (E.C.)

[Enter Rocket Specific Tip]

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
06/06 - "Solid kit! I recommend two things: Add t-nuts to the aft centering ring before gluing it in for positive motor retention. Also, use wood glue! The fins are plywood and the airframe is kraft paper. Sand off the glassine where applicable and give it good fillets. Mine suffered a parachute separation at about 2000' (AGL) and came in hard, landing on bare dirt. Only damage was a tiny paint chip. Fins still attached as good as new!" (S.C. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
11/02 - "The Lil' Nuke is my favorite rocket. I used thirty minute epoxy to put mine together. I also pinned the root edge of the fins by drilling three .060" holes in the Edge and inserting 1/16" piano wire in the hole and cutting it off with about a 1/4" sticking out. You then use these pins to mark the body tube with and drill the corresponding holes in the body tube. You then sand the plastic outer coating of the body tube to the bare paper along the fin line. This give the epoxy a place to soak in and hold good. Next large apply fillets and it should be very strong. I built my Lil' nuke this way over 12 years ago and I still fly it today. I have lost count of the flights on this rocket but it is well over 100! It served as my level 1 rocket recently on a H180 and has survived numerous G300 flights in the past. These things fly great on just about any 29 mm motor. Have fun and hope this helps." (K.K. from R.M.R. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
11/02 - "I built mine stock as a rock with just 30 Min epoxy. Its second flight flew with an extra foot of BT with glowrap for a night launch. The G80-10 su motor decided not to eject and the next thing I knew I had a core sample of the desert. Tough little rocket. The Nose cone actually survived only with some extra "sanding." I cut the crunched section of BT to about 4 In above the fins and attached a 48" section of 2.1 PML Quantum tube (it is the same dia) and flew it the next day on an H123 for my L1 Cert. Thanks to Neil at Rocket Silo who was at the launch and open late the night of the prang. The rocket now carries my Intel Movie camera and a skyward altimeter. It weighs in at exactly 2 lbs sans motor. Flies great on a G80, and G125 su. I Plan on lofting with another H123, or maybe an I200. On the G125-15t it flew 1500 ft. Whatever you fly it on, a long delay is in order. This thing keeps going long after thrust tapers off. Gotta say, the Lil nuke is the workhorse of my small and growing fleet. Great looking rocket too. I plan to build a scaled up version someday. Only thing I'd do differently is add some motor retention, and maybe a 38mm Mount. It relies on Friction fit if stock built. A great first high power rocket for any modeler. " (C.C. from R.M.R. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
03/02 - "When building the Lil' Nuke, forget the surface mounted fins. I had mine pop off on landing during it's first flight. I procured some 3/16" aircraft plywood and copied the original fin pattern for TTW fins. Since then I've had an AT SU motor with no ejection and the Lil' Nuke fell to the ground without a scratch. Best $4.00 Iíve ever spent!" (M.E.S. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
03/02 - "The pic on the package shows that the fins are up from the base, but the diagram in the instructions show them flush.. Built mine flush, and it flies great! There was nothing in the instructions to say how much up from the base to put them, anyway... Used Expoy (with rivets) and blind t-nuts to secure the woosh device..." (W.M. of RMR )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
03/02 - "My suggestions would be: 1) Use small tubular Kevlar for the shock cord and mount it to the top CR 2) Install Kaplow Klips 3) Make some small holes through the BT where you'll be mounting the fins. After mounting the fins with whatever adhesive you choose" (B.C. of RMR )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
05-10-2002 Bill Baur AT EconoJet F23-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - glassed , used glastic for fins mounted to m.m.
09-04-2005 George Beever AT RMS E28-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Ft. Indiantown Gap
- First flight on this model since about 1999, about the 10th flight on it overall. Good motor for this rocket.
01-06-2008 George Beever AT SU E30-4 Apogee - NC Down Calm - Great flight on a rather old motor.
06-07-2009 George Beever AT RMS F24-7 None - CATO 0-5 mph winds - Aft closure failed. Rocket actually left the pad but motor failed at about 10 feet altitude.
05-20-2006 Simon Crafts AT RMS F40-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds Event: Walcott, IA Club Launch
- Great boost and high flight on the F40W. 10 sec delay a bit long, should have used a 7. Parachute separation at ejection, but no damage on tumble recovery. Solid rocket!
04-28-2007 Simon Crafts AT RMS G104-M Apogee - NC Down Gusty Event: April Club Launch
- A little squirrely off the rod (a couple of waggles) in the gusty winds. Wicked fast, estimate 2000' AGL with ejection at the top. Landed in un-plowed corn rows, didn't find till the next day.
04-28-2007 Simon Crafts AT RMS F62-S Apogee - Perfect Gusty Event: April Club Launch
- Found it on Sunday after it spent the night in the field. Again, a waggle off the rod in the wind. Weathercocked, ejected at the top, but chute separated. Flat spin recovery to the dirt, no damage!!
11-10-2007 Simon Crafts AT RMS G79-M Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Awesome boost that ramped up from ''good enough'' to a flat-out vapor trail by motor burnout. Teleported into the ''mist'' with a ceiling around 2000' AGL. Didn't see ejection, but it recovered fine after a bit of a walk.
08-01-2009 Tim Dicke AT RMS F40-7 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Flight Picture - First flight. Very nice boost on the AT-F40W.
08-05-2001 Bill Eichelberger AT EconoJet F20-7 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: NARAM 43
Mourning Would - Flight in a Lil Nuke drag race with my brother in law. His igniter failed and kept his on the pad.
07-21-2002 Bill Eichelberger AT EconoJet F20-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Mourning Would - Awesome flight. Flew into the wind and drifted about 1/2 mile away, but stayed in the park.
03-02-2003 Beth Eide AT RMS H123-14 Didn't See 10+ mph winds Nuked - L1 attempt, rocket seperated and blew out motor. Found all pieces and will install new shock cord and try again.
03-15-2003 Beth Eide AT RMS H123-14 Didn't See 10+ mph winds Nuked - Great flight. Chased it about a mile. Landed ten feet from a stock dam. This time all is good.
06-17-2000 David Fergus Est SU D12-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - low and slow with this 11oz. rocket, ejection spring back caused an ESTES DENT in the body tube, bent it back out and reinforced with CA. maiden flight with primer, so paint job not ruined.
06-24-2000 David Fergus AT SU E15-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - just right. straight and smoky. good recovery.
07-22-2000 David Fergus AT EconoJet F20-4 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - perfect straight flight. I now swear by CA on the upper 2 of body tubes to strengthen them up against Estes dings and even core samples.
07-22-2000 David Fergus AT SU E15-7 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - slightly angled thrust vector sent the rocket ballistic with apogee at about 200 feet. long ejection delay led to ejection 3 feet above ground at sod farm. nose cone barely cleared as body tube took a 3 core sample of the soft sod. no damage other than paint scrape on nose cone. I now CA all body tube ends! It flew again later that day on an F20.
08-26-2000 David Fergus AT EconoJet F20-4 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - another great flight.
08-24-2002 David Fergus AT EconoJet F20-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds -
10-25-2003 David Fergus AT EconoJet F20-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - landed in median on Hwy 101 east of launch field (woooo of relief). winds were higher aloft.
05-02-2004 Rocky Firth AT SU G125-8 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - First Flight! Great little mid-power rocket.
06-02-2004 Rocky Firth AT RMS G104-10 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - Almost loat track of this flight. It just exploded of the pad and was hard to follow after the tracking smoke quit.
05-09-2003 Trey Fitzgerald Est SU D12-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Flew up straight, landed about 30 ft from pad.Est. Alt. 150 feet
05-10-2003 Trey Fitzgerald AT SU G40-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds -
08-05-2001 Tony Fragge AT EconoJet F20-7 Apogee - NC Down Calm - Igniter did not work. Lost drag race. After igniter was replaced it flew well.
11-03-2001 Tony Fragge Est SU D12-3 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Went horizontal at about 20 ft. Chute deployed just in the nick of time.
07-28-2001 William Frazier AT RMS G33-7 Very Late 0-5 mph winds - Nice slow boost, ejection very late. No damage to rocket.
03-16-2002 William Frazier AT RMS G64-7 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - Got rod whipped coming off the pad, turned about 45 degrees away from crowd and lost sight. Ejection was about 100' from the ground, zippered 1 of the airframe. Going to rebuild using anti-zipper and maybe larger launch lug.
06-09-2002 William Frazier AT RMS H220-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds RIP - Busted Mach! Really fast, were it landed I'll never know! Status: Lost
05-06-2005 Nathaniel Gilbert AT RMS H128-10 Didn't See Calm - Succesful level 1 cert. Minor damage to rocket. I do NOT recomend the Lil' Nuke for level 1. Landed just feet from the forest. Cert Flight: L1
01-07-2001 Justin Gleiter Kos TRM I385-18 Apogee - Perfect
(8000 ft)
Calm Abused Nuke - Took off like a bullet, to say the least. Despite using a streamer and calm conditions, landed 1/2 mile downrange. Est alt. 8000 feet
03-31-2001 Justin Gleiter DPT H360-14 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Abused Nuke - Took off like a shot during the 1/2 second burn. Ejected past apogee and ended up about 1/3 mile downrange with streamer
01-10-2004 Greg Gremba AT RMS F52-10 Apogee - NC Down
(1600 ft)
5-10 mph winds - modified with TTW G-10 fins. 1600' beautiful flight. recovered about 300ft from pad. no damage perfect condition
04-03-2001 Dan Hahn AT SU E15-7 Very Late 0-5 mph winds - See post by David Fergus, I should have read before this flight. I had the same prob. ejection was 2ft off the ground :( hit & crushed 1st inch of BT. Will repair for next flight on a AT F23-4J with 144*3in streamer & 6ft by 1/4 shock cord.
08-17-2010 Keith Hamel AT EconoJet F23-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds Event: Section Launch
- Great flight and very good motor for this rocket.
09-18-2010 Keith Hamel AT EconoJet F42-8 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Section Launch
- Ver fast high flight perfect recovery under an 18 X-Form Chute
06-02-2001 Arthur Johnson AT EconoJet F20-7 Apogee - Perfect Gusty - 3-for-3 in bad flights today. Crashed one, sever weather-cock on another, and this on drifted of to the rich side of town. Such is life with rockets.
12-04-2003 James Lawson AT SU F25-9 None - Nose Cone Stuck Light winds - Rocket weather cocked off pad at 20 feet, went downrange maybe 400 yds, then lawndarted nose into the soft dirt, charge blew and main body popped off nose, rocket survived!! great horizontal flight at high speed.
08-08-2002 MikeyR AT RMS F37-S Apogee - Perfect
(1200 ft)
0-5 mph winds - Nice flight. Altimeter read about 1200 feet.
06-21-2008 Lynn Mills AT SU F50-10 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - I had a friend take it form Texas to Vegas while I was out there on a trip. Nice flight, landed 300 yards from the pad.
06-21-2008 Lynn Mills AT SU G80-10 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - Very quick off the pad. Nice high flight, so high that we could not see the parachute deploy. Landed 100 yards from the pad.
11-03-2001 Dan Patell AT RMS F24-7 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds - Great flight, little drift. Hot little motor.
11-03-2001 Dan Patell AT RMS G33-7 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds - Great flight, with a short walk for recovery. Nice motor.
11-22-2001 Dan Patell AT RMS E11-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Great motor for this rocket. Fast recovery on stock chute.
04-21-2002 Dan Patell AT RMS G64-10 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Screamed off of the pad and was lost soon after(too high!). Recovered a half mile away, even on the stock 14 parachute. Great motor for this rocket.
07-07-2002 Dan Patell AT SU G80-7 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Great, fast flight with a close recovery. Aerocon 18 surplus chute worked perfect for this rocket.
11-12-2000 Russell Puryear AT RMS F52-8 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Great Flight
11-12-2000 Russell Puryear AT RMS G64-10 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - rocket turned about 15% from vertical and disappeared against the clouds. Not recovered
04-18-2009 John Venable AT SU E30-7 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: moffet field
- Gone to 900 ft. FAST !Shock cord broke. No damage as it landed on grass. Thanx 2 RSO Dave 4 finding her
07-19-2009 John Venable AT SU E30-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: moffet field
CUL8R - Finally a flight with no separation.Wicked fast,loud flight to 900'. Flawless
08-15-2009 John Venable AT SU E30-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: moffet field
CUL8R - Loud,fast flight to 1100'. Crowd got whiplash. A perfect flight and recovery. Cant wait to strap an F or G to this @ Snow Ranch !!
08-15-2009 John Venable AT SU E30-4 Apogee - NC Down Calm Event: moffet field
CUL8R - Whiplash fast to 1000'. Perfect flight in every way.
09-19-2009 John Venable AT SU E30-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: moffet field
CUL8R - Fast and loud to 950'. My son loaded her up for his fist mid-power flight. Guaranteed that he will be entering his own logs next year !!
11-07-2009 John Venable AT SU F32-4 Didn't See 10+ mph winds Event: snow ranch
- Oh my God, this is the perfect motor for this bird! Super loud and fast to over 2300'.The crowd and LSO were speechless. This was the highest I have gone in a while. Over a 1/2 mile walk but worth it.

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