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REV 2.4 - Wed Sep 22 00:13:09 2010

LOC
Graduator
P.O. Box 470396
Broadview Heights OH 44147
(330) 745-9755
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SPECS: 39.5" x 2.63" - 13 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: 29mm: F50-9, G40-10; 24mm: D12-3, E15-4

(by Mark Trotter) 

[Picture]This is a great kit to get you into the more advanced, mid-power rocket kits, but I would still recommend getting a novice kit first. The Graduator has the great feature of through-the-wall tubing which decreases the time and effort for you. It also comes with the LOC MMA-1 motor adapter to fly it on 24mm motors. The only problem, there is no type of "motor block" in the mount. It's still a great kit to build and fly. Since the kit has thru-the-wall tubing all that needs to be done, once the fins have be n epoxied in place, is to apply an epoxy fillet. Also, I did not put a sealer on the fins like the instructions suggested, but it turns out that I really needed to, as the grain on the plywood shows. Make sure you sand the entire rocket before painting as well. [Editors Note] Before gluing the motor mount into place a positive motor retention system could be installed. Friction fitting, with tape, is a practiced method, but is a little scary with those expensive RMS casings.


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LOC - Graduator  - by Moira Jean Whitlock [Who's Who Page]

[Rocket Pic]Brief:   Single staged, three-finned rocket for 29mm engines. I think that it is meant as a first rocket for middle power. It turned out to be mine as well.

Construction: Everything was there, nothing defective or broken. The nose cone and body tube are standard LOC parts, with the nose being hollow sturdy plastic, and the body tube spiral wound kraft paper glassined on the surface. It was also pre-slotted to allow the plywood precut fins which came with tabs that matched these slots to fit in. Two centering rings, plywood, were provided, and can be placed to meet the fin tabs and reinforce the joint. And these rings center the spiral wound paper 29mm motor mount tube. The kit came with a red, 18 inch nylon chute with 8 nylon cord shroud lines. The shock cord is 5 feet of flat white elastic 1/4 inch wide, mounted to a tough possibly nylon/Kevlar® 6-inch cord that is made into a loop and is anchored to the folded paper shock cord mount inside the body tube. For this model, I glassed over the affixed mount with epoxy. So far, no zippering has occurred. The launch lug is spiral wound paper, and is 6 inches long and accepts 3/8 inch rods.

Finishing: There weren't decals, so after I spray painted the entire rocket with matte fluorescent orange sign paint, I wrote the name, "Graduator" in blue up the body tube in fabric paint.  Surprisingly, it has stayed on perfectly. In the middle of the body tube, I put a 4-inch wide band of adhesive silver mylar to enhance visibility.  I also put a similar band of orange mylar at the top of the body tube to prevent paint chipping at the top, which happens a lot when I fly rockets as often as this one.

I used Micro Fill model filler to fill the spirals. It's white putty that is spreadable with fingertips and dries in a few hours at room temperature. And it's sandable. And it's sandable. Maybe I should have roughened it up a little to let the primer adhere better and so the main coat would have held better. This stuff does fill cracks and transitions and makes a surface more aerodynamic. 

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight: It's recommended to use 29mm G Aerotech motors.  So far, I have tried the G35, G40, and G80, all with a 7 second delay.  All work great. This battered rocket has lived two years and has flown easily 16 times. It's easy to prep, with five papers being enough wadding, or enough worm bed wadding to fill the tube to one inch.  The chute is unscorched and unfrayed, but I put it in a red rocket for color matching and made this one a similar sized one from blaze orange rip stop nylon to match its color scheme. The only wear the rocket has is its paint. Since this rocket was one of my first in higher power, I used putty to smoothen the fin to body joints, but since this stuff can flex, the paint over it has chipped and has required redoing.  Maybe next time I'll use primer and automotive paint.

I read that other reviewers would have wanted an engine block.  I have mixed feelings here. First, I'll tell an embarrassing story.  When I didn't tape my G80 in well enough, it kicked up and out and left the rocket behind. This was in front of a lot of guys whom I would prefer to have impressed. An engine block cured that, but will prevent my later use of longer motors. I'll just have to buy another Graduator for that!

Recovery: Just right, no fin loss, no scorches on the chute. The rocket is a little battered, but intact and still flying.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary: Easy to build, reliable. Easy to build, reliable. Durable.  Very possibly modifiable for H power if fiberglassed. I just might do that.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by John Hogan)

Brief
The Graduator is an excellent rocket for those wishing to get into mid/high powered flight

Construction
The tubing, fins and everything were of excellent quality. The instructions were brief (few illustrations), but adequate. The preslotted tubing made fin installation straightforward, and all parts fit together nicely. I highly recommend reinforcing the fins so that they are supported by the motor tube. I used 4" sections of wood (approx 1/2" thick) and epoxied them in place.

Finishing
Finishing the tube, ply fins and nose cone was easy (as easy as finishing gets).

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight
I flew the Graduator first on an E16-4. It flew Straight as an arrow up to approx 500', and deployed perfectly at apogee. Recovery was not so great without full deployment of the chute. Damage was limited to some cracked fillets (thankfully, I had reinforced the fins).

Following repairs, I then launched with F22-7 which got more altitude and a beautiful flight. Next an F40 and maybe a G in the near future.

Recovery
The LOC shock cord mounting appears quite strong, and I have had no problems with it. The included chute took some abuse from ejection burns (must not have used enough wadding), but is holding up.

The only damage was due to improper chute folding for the maiden flight

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary
The kit is very easy to build, flies straight and appears quite durable. I believe one of its strengths is the wide range of recommended motors and reasonable altitudes. This makes for an excellent introductory rocket for mid powered flight.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


LOC Graduator review is provided courtesy of:
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PicThis rocket is a popular LOC kit for people new to composite motors. I liked the looks of the rocket and was in need for a new kit in that power range (D-G). The Graduator came promptly and packed well, however, the shipping company had still managed to kink the body tube. I contacted Barry, the new owner of LOC, and he shipped out another tube without question that also arrived on my doorstep in a timely fashion. 

Now that all the parts were here it was time to build! After test fitting the parts (which were all snug fits) and looking over the instructions (one-sided/brief), I decided to bevel the edges of the plywood fins. I swept each side of the fin’s edges through a grinder too create a nice bevel with minimal work. I lightly sanded them to remove any imperfections from the grinder. Next came the motor mount assembly. This consists of 2 centering rings, a 29mm tube, a baffle, and 24/29 motor adapter. I attached the centering rings with 15min epoxy after they’d been lightly sanded. I opted to not epoxy in the baffle unit since I plan to use some longer 29mm motors and the baffle might prevent them from being inserted. However, this is a nice addition to the kit that is not usually seen in similar kits by other manufactures. Next, the motor mount was slid into the tube and secured by 15min epoxy. This rocket was going to be the testbed for a fillet technique that I’d read about. After the motor mount was dry I popped one fin into the slot and dammed up the forward and rear end of the fin root with masking tape and wood. The rocket is placed at a 5 degree angle (nose end down) and the fin should be at approximately a 45 degree angle with the floor. I then mixed up a small (one pump) batch of West Systems epoxy (105/206). PicThe epoxy is thin and runs easily. I poured a small amount into the fin root near the aft dam and it slowly flows down the root. Once it reaches the forward end, the rocket is placed horizontal to the ground and the epoxy will level. Some will seep into the tiny void between the slot edge and the fin which locks the fin in the slot. This is critical and convenient because the fins don’t extend all the way to the motor mount so they need this extra reinforcement. A second dose of epoxy might be needed since some has flowed inside the tube. Once cured, the fillet is in near perfect and glass smooth. This process is repeated for each of the other 5 roots. This process is quite time consuming, however, the outcome is very rewarding. Once the fin can was complete I moved onto the recovery system. This kit comes with the typical LOC shock cord mount, a nylon string. It is looped, knotted and epoxied to the inside of the airframe. At first glance, this type of shock cord mount seems insufficient, but I’ve personally never had one fail. This was again epoxied with 15min. The kit comes with an elastic shock cord that attaches to the nylon string and nosecone eyelet. The parachute is a standard one piece 18” black nylon chute. The final construction step was to attach the 1/4” launch lugs to the airframe. It needed to be cut in two and sanded to properly support the rocket. 

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For finishing, I first filled and sanded any ruts with Bondo filler and once complete I applied a coat of gray primer. I painted the fin can and nosecone gloss black and the mid section a cranberry red. 

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For the first flight I loaded her up with a F52. I attached a Nomex® heat shield (Courtesy of Dave Pacheco) to the shock cord. The 1/4” rod was grungy and a tight fit so I move her down to a 3/16” which was just slightly loose. At liftoff she jumped off the pad and headed into the wind. The chute deployed on cue and brought her home safely. Despite the 10mph winds the Graduator was recovered fairly close to the pad for a successful flight. Next, I headed down to Pennsylvania in March to launch with PARA. I was in a good mood and decided to give her a ride on an H128. I prepped the motor the night before and headed out to the site at about 9:30 the next morning. I got caught up watching others fly and while prepping the Graduator’s recovery system at about 10:45 the winds started to kick up. I was finally ready to launch but when I got out to the pad the rod was wayyyy to tight. I had to run back to the car and sand the lugs. I realized that the uppper lug was slightly off center which wasn’t helping my cause. I removed the lug and whipped out the 5 minute epoxy. While she was drying the winds were getting worse and they eventually the range was shut down. Bummer! The weather up in New England has been horrendous and I still have the H128 loaded hoping to launch eventually. However, One weekend I decided to go out with a couple buddies at launch locally. I loaded up a G35 because I didn’t want to launch the H128 at an unorganized launch and the site was a tad bit too small. I flew the Graduator off a 3/16” rod once again. She roared off the pad on a nice plume of Econojet smoke. Deployment was right at apogee and she came down gently not very far away. There was absolutely no damage. 

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This is a great kit, but if you do decide to purchase it, I have several suggestions. The cardboard lugs must be cut in two, so you should replace them with 1/4” brass or copper piping. This is the second time I’ve had trouble with lugs. Many people would also recommend modifying the fins so they go all the way to the motor mount. However, for this kit I do not think it is necessary. If you put a little extra effort into the fillets and reinforcement, the fin can will be rock-solid and will stand up to a lot of beatings. In conclusion, this is a great quality kit that is well worth the money and it’s an excellent flier! 

Written and submitted by Todd Harrison for Rocketry Online -- Copyright 1996-2000 

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
03/08 - "This was my level 1 rocket, flew great on an H180 medium. has also flown on an H128, H97. H128 was probably my favorite not too high. The only problem was that the rocket would always land on one fin first. finally broke off edge. this would probably be a good place for some fiberglass reinforcement." (B.P)

GUEST's OPINION:
06/04 - "To avoid being ripped off or scammed from DicountHobbyCenter.com, check the Better Business Bureau to see at least 15 COMPLAINTS against this firm. We are seeking legal action ourselves. Our research indicates disturbing findings. Check it out for yourself if you don't believe us. After we get through with this firm, there will not be any hobbies to buy from them and you can rest safe. Caveat Emptor Greetings to all." ()

GUEST's OPINION:
04/03 - "I highly recommend the Graduator. It's attractive, very stable, and reasonably easy to build. The parts are all of top quality. I made a few modifications to the kit: I added a thrust ring and a Bourne Again Rocketry Motor Anchor (since I'm uncomfortable with the idea of using tape to retain the motor in a rocket as large as this one). I also skipped the LOC shock cord mount and instead mounted the shock cord with a piece of Kevlar® attached to the forward centering ring. Another good motor for the Graduator is the F20-4 Econojet. Compared to those of an AeroTech or Estes kit, the instructions are terse and have few illustrations. If you are completely new to mid-power, it might be a good idea to build an AeroTech rocket or two before you try a LOC/Precision kit." (J.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
08/02 - "Many posting opinions here on the Graduator have wished for through the wall to the motor mount fin tabs. According to the LOC Web site, the kit now includes that! It's refreshing to have a company respond to consumers' calls for improvement. Now if only Estes would do something about those lousy shock cords ..." (G.B.)

GUEST's OPINION:
12/01 - "I bought this rocket from DiscountHobbyCenter.com and I got the new version with fins that go all the way to the motor mount. It was a very easy kit to build, it flies great too. My favorite motors for it are F23 and G38 BlackMax motors." (P.V.)

GUEST's OPINION:
08/01 - "The rocket is very stable in flight. I used a H90 and flew great. The only thing that should be changed is the through the wall fin design. It should be all the way through to the motor mount, so it has more strength. One could also put dowels inside the airframe and epoxy them to the fins. This would be better than nothing." (J.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
06/00 - "I'll agree with the other posters that the Graduator is a great kit to get started with in mid power. I chose it myself based on some suggestions from other folks and I'm glad I did. Construction is straight forward. Luckily I had heard about Kaplow Klips before I started and incorporated them in the rear centering ring. I don't know why LOC doesn't include them in the kit or at least suggest their use. The parts are cheap enough and available at any hardware store. I also built in a parachute compartment in the forward end of the body tube so I wouldm't have to use wadding. This was a section of 1 3/4" diameter mailing tube, long enough to hold the supplied 18" chute and shock cord. I epoxied a spruce bulkhead at the rear and coated it with epoxy. I centered in the body tube with three strips of 3/16" thick spruce. The ends of the LOC shock cord mounting loop were epoxied into the spacer fillets and the whole assembly was epoxied into the body tube far enough in to let the nose cone slip inside. I flew it about 8 times (on E16s, F20s, F22s, F52s and a G33) like this until I had a bonus delay on an E16-4 and it lawn darted. I rebuilt it with a new section of LOC body tube and incorporated anti-zipper design into the coupler. (This concept was covered in Sport Rocketry a while back) This is essentially a tube coupler with a bulkhead on each end. There are holes drilled in the bulkheads so that the holes don't line up. It acts as an ejection baffle. I put an eyebolt in the top coupler and the chute goes in the forward section of tube. So far I've not had any recovery problems or chute damage. It's also survived a lake landing. It is now too heavy to fly on E's. My favorite motor for this bird is the F20 and F23 Econojets. I recommend this kit for a first mid power bird. It flies on a variety of motors and has the flexibility of a 29mm motor tube and an adapter that comes with the kit." (K.W.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/00 - "Adding an engine block to the kit would limit your choice of motors. All you have to do is wrap 1/2-inch electrical tape (takes heat better than masking tape) on the aft end of the motor until it becomes slightly greater in diameter than the motor tube. That keeps it from kicking forward. A simple way to keep it from kicking aft upon ejection that I used is to install a pair of blind nuts (T-nuts) in the aft ring that take No. 6 screws. Wire is attached to one screw, wrapped around the engine nozzle, and secured to the other screw. Simple, cheap and effective. But you have to install the nuts before you install the engine mount into the body tube. And be sure to epoxy the nuts in place." (G.B.)

GUEST's OPINION:
02/00 - "Great kit. I had a good time building it. I added a motor Retention system, I set it up to handle the longest motor I had, (29mm Areotech RMS case). I also was too scared to use the wall mounted shock cord mount.(upon reflection I'm sure that the 6ft plus shock cord would absorb most anything, thus preventing any potential "zippering"). I made my own mount using the same 1/4" plywood that the fins are made of. I shaped it to fit, drilled holes in it and added an eye bolt. I do wish this kit had fins that went all the way to the motor mount tube. But they seem strong enough to me. I felt it was rather deceptive not to mention that the Loc/Precision kits don't come with decals. I made my own using colored self-adhesive sheets sold at hobby shops that sell model airplanes. They're great and come in all kinds of colors. Overall I'll give this kit a 3.5 rating out of 5. It would need several things to get a 5. 1.) motor retention system. 2.) Center-ring mounted shock cord. 3.)through the wall to engine tube fins. I will nevertheless still buy more of the Loc/Precision kits. If, however, let's say that Areotech made all the same rockets that Loc/Precision did, I'd buy the Areotech every time, even for a 25% price premium." (J.C.)

GUEST's OPINION:
11/99 - "In short, the Graduator was my first big rocket, and still my favorite. The Rocket can really get up there, my best launches were on an F101T-5 and a G80T-10. I have put it up on a D12-3, and almost killed the LCO, or at least scared him! I have found that one can use a 12' chute for the G's and H's, but make sure the fins are very strong." (R.T.)

GUEST's OPINION:
09/99 - "My LOC Graduator is now 7 years old and still flying. It has flown on engines from D12-3 (frighteningly low altitude at ejection) to G40-7 (WOW!!!!). It has had its share of abuse from over 30 launches and is still going strong. The only change I would make is to have the fins go all the way to the motot mount. Easy to construct and fly. The perfect first mid power rocket." (D.H.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"I really enjoyed building my Graduator. I agree that it's a good first rocket to get into mid-power rocketry. My kit went together really well, but I wish I would have thought about motor retention before assembling it. I retrofitted mine with something similar to a "Kaplow Klip" which works great for both single use and RMS motors. I used a sealer on the fins before painting, and didn't get any grain, but the appearance of the finish came out noticeably different from the body tube.  I finished mine with a uniform color of Pactra Candy Purple, and call it the "Purple Propellant Eater". I've flown F and G reloads, but I've found that the suggested 10 second delay is a little too long. All in all, the Graduator is a great rocket to build and fly!" (M.R)

GUEST's OPINION:
"I agree with Mark. The Graduator is a simple kit to build, with enough room (barely) in the rear centering ring for a retention system. I didn't put one in and haven't had trouble with friction fitting motors. I even friction fit a H-128 for my level one flight when my cert 1 rocket died on it's test flight, and everything worked fine. A fun rocket to build and fly!" (S.B.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"Graduator is a great first rocket for mid-power. It's inexpensive, forgiving, and fairly stout. It would be nice if LOC would do something about motor retention, since a mid-power newbie tends to learn about such things the hard way. I do wish the fin tabs continued to the motor mount. Even with the TTW fin mounting, I knocked fins loose on two different occasions. The parachute choice seems to assume a small field. But you'd better not be in a small field if you launch your Graduator on a G motor! If anybody finds mine, please let me know. @#$%! trees." (J.S.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
01/07 - "Instead of friction fitting a motor, I added a Quick Change motor retainer from Aeropac International. They are a bit pricey, but very high quality and in my opinion worth the money. They can be easily added to a rocket that's already been constructed. Also, instead of adding an engine block to the rocket and thus limit the size of motor, you can create a thrust ring made from a 1/4" long piece of a 29mm motor mount and then epoxy it to the aft end of a single-use motor. This will keep the motor in-place during the thrust period. This, in combination with the Quick Change motor retainer, will eliminate any need for friction fitting motors." (L.B. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
03/02 - "This is where the third centering ring comes in to play. One at the top of the stuffer tube. The second positioned so that it contacts the upper portion of the fin tabs. This will involve test fittings because you are going to leave the rear centering ring off and install the motor/stuffer tube first. Then install the fins and fillet everywhere two surfaces make contact, ie., outer centering ring to inside of tube, inner centering ring to motor/stuffer tube, fins to outside of airframe, fins to motor/stuffe" (P.O. of RMR )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
07-06-2008 Mark Beever AT SU F25-6 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - GREAT flight! Landed in a tree, but recovered with no danage.
07-04-2010 Mark Beever AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: FIG Newtons-11
- Great flight.
07-04-2010 Mark Beever AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Event: FIG Newtons-11
- Great flight.
09-08-2007 Moe Bertrand AT EconoJet G38-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Rainbow Valley
- Perfect first flight of this great performer. Can't wait to fly it again and again...but not at $20 a pop.
09-13-2008 Moe Bertrand AT SU G80-10 Apogee - Perfect
(1544 ft)
5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Rainbow Valley
- Using a PerfectFlite HiAlt45K, dual deploy plus motor eject for backup of drogue deployment worked perfectly. First flight of my LOC Graduator 3D (Triple Deployment) in this configuration.
03-29-2009 Moe Bertrand AT EconoJet F42-8 Apogee - Perfect
(342 ft)
5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Rainbow Valley
- 2nd flight of G3D. This motor underpowered for the rocket, triple deployment worked though...
07-11-2009 Moe Bertrand AT RMS H268-M Apogee - Perfect
(3604 ft)
0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Rainbow Valley
- Another perfect flight of my Graduator 3D triple deployment bird. Awesome boost on the Redline motor...missed the takeoff shot.
04-17-2010 Moe Bertrand AT RMS G64-4 Very Early Calm Flight PictureEvent: Rainbow Valley
- PRM-23 G-Eggloft Event. Shortened LOC Graduator. Mis-judged the delay and got very early ejection event. Zippered the airframe in two spots...safe recovery. 124 seconds.
04-17-2010 Moe Bertrand AT EconoJet G38-7 Didn't Record Calm Event: Rainbow Valley
- PRM-23 G-Eggloft Event, second go. G38-7FJ motor this time...got a much better flight but still a modest 192.5 seconds aloft.
03-16-2002 Steve Carey Ellis SU G35-10 Very Late 0-5 mph winds - Beatiful boost, with ejection about 3 seconds late. Recovered in perfect condition.
03-03-2000 James Crippen AT RMS F12-3 Apogee - NC Down Calm - 2ND FLIGHT, ONE FIN FELL OFF MID FLIGHT AND CAUSEDROCKET TO SUDDENLY TURN. IT DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGHALLTITUDE TO SAFELY LAND. THE MOTOR HOOK I ADDEDABSORBED ALL OF THE IMPACT ON HARD LANDING. ONINSPECTION I NOTICED THAT THE SMOOTH FINISH I'DWORKED SO HARD FOR
03-03-2000 James Crippen AT RMS F22-5 Apogee - NC Down Calm - EXCELLENT FLIGHT,EJECTION A LITTLE LATE.
11-19-2006 Steve Fitton AT SU F50-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - This is a new Graduator to replace my old one which was retired after about 50 flights. Works just as good as the first one!
11-19-2006 Steve Fitton AT RMS F40-7 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - 5 seconds would be a better delay time, but the rocket is so light that ejection on the way down does not hurt it one bit. The AT 40-120 motor is a great match for this rocket.
11-19-2006 Steve Fitton AT SU F25-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds -
12-17-2005 Richard Hitchner AT RMS E16-7 Very Early 5-10 mph winds - Nice lift-off, chute ejected way early. 12' elastic shock kept it from zippering. Good landing with 24 chute
12-21-2006 Michael Jenkins AT EconoJet F42-10 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - First flight for my first epoxyed rocket. It drifted about 200 yards but landed fine in a soccer field.
01-28-2007 Michael Jenkins AT RMS F52-11 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - If it wasn't for the black smoke of the Thunderbird motor we wouldn't have known where to look for it in the sky. On ignition, it was gone out of sight! Came right back down under the parachute within 15 of the launch pad.
08-27-2000 Greg Jordan Est SU D12-3 None - Nose Cone Stuck Calm - Estes charge to weak
12-13-2003 Mike Kiss AT RMS G64-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Wolverine - Straight fast boost to about 1700ft. Arced over nice. Chute deployed just after apogee. Good recovery. No damage.
12-13-2003 Mike Kiss AT EconoJet G35-7 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds Wolverine - Good flight straight up about 1400ft, 1/4 mile walk to recover, no damage
12-20-2003 Mike Kiss AT SU F25-9 Very Late 10+ mph winds Wolverine - Used aluminum launch rod, too whippy, rocket turned straight into wind off rod, ballistic flight path, very late deploy, zippered about 4 inches, repairable
01-03-2004 Mike Kiss AT EconoJet G35-7 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Wolverine - After zipper repair, great flight, about 1500ft, good recovery, no damage
03-13-2004 Mike Kiss AT RMS G64-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Great flight to about 1800ft, landed about 100ft from pad, no damage, good first flight for replacement.
04-10-2004 Mike Kiss Ellis SU G35-7 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Great motor in this rocket, long burn boost to over 2000ft., good deploy, landed about 150yds. from pad, slight crack in 1 fillet
05-08-2004 Mike Kiss AT RMS G64-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Good straight flight to about 1800ft, slightly late deployment, landed about 150yds from pad, slight zipper about 1/2 inch long, easy repair
09-09-2004 Mike Kiss AT RMS G64-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Nice flight to about 1700 ft., ejection a little late, landed about 100 ft. from pad, no damage
11-13-2004 Mike Kiss AT RMS G64-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Event: Bunnell Blast
Wolverine 2 - Another great flight for this great LOC kit, ejection just past apogee, landed about 300 yds from pad, no damage
02-19-2005 Mike Kiss AT RMS G33-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Another great flight to near 2000 ft., chute deployed just past apogee, landed about 100 yds from pad, no damage
10-08-2005 Mike Kiss AT RMS G64-7 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Another good flight to near 2000 ft, deployment perfect at apogee, landed about 150 yds from pad, no damage
12-17-2005 Mike Kiss AT RMS F52-5 Just Before 5-10 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Great flight for F motor, good motor for smaller field, ejection was slightly early but 8 second delay would have been too long, landed about 100 yds from pad, no damage
01-21-2006 Mike Kiss AT RMS F52-5 Very Early 5-10 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Nice fast boost, but typical early ejection from unprotected blue thunder delay element, landed about 100 ft from pad, no damage, lucky there was no zipper with very early ejection
01-13-2007 Mike Kiss AT SU F25-6 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Wolverine 2 - Good flight in higher winds, ejection about 1 second afer apogee, another lands right next to my easy-up, no damage
02-21-2004 Mike Kiss AT SU G40-7 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds RIP Wolverine - great flight straight up, drifted past tree line to next field over where dirt bike riders play, never found, would bet it will fly again but by someone else Status: Lost
07-16-2007 John Lee AT EconoJet F21-7 Very Late 0-5 mph winds - Very late ejection but no damage. Otherwise good flight.
07-17-2007 John Lee AT EconoJet F20-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Curved over in flight; barely landed within bounds
08-26-2007 John Lee Est SU E9-4 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - This motor is way too weak. It barely got anywhere under thrust, a few feet in glide and then it was a race with the ejection charge for chute deplqyment. No damage, though.
08-26-2007 John Lee AT EconoJet F42-8 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - Perfect Flight up. I used a long delay because of the small field and it seemed to work.
08-26-2007 John Lee AT EconoJet F42-8 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - Another good ascent but this time the delay came back to bite me. It landed on concrete and chiped one of the fins.
09-08-2007 John Lee AT EconoJet F23-7 Very Late 5-10 mph winds Event: Monthly Launch
- Worried about zipper but it did not happen.
10-14-2007 John Lee AT EconoJet F23-7 Very Late 10+ mph winds Event: Garner Middle School
- Purposely chose long delay because of field size. Great flight.
02-09-2008 John Lee AT EconoJet F20-7 Very Late 0-5 mph winds Event: Monthly Launch
- Great flight. I chose the late delay because of the small field.
03-29-2008 John Lee AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Alamo Rocketeers SNAP Launch
- Great flight
05-10-2008 John Lee AT SU G80-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Event: Alamo Rocketeers Monthly Launch
- Superb vertical flight into the sun. Landed in an electric line that turned out to be low voltage lighting for a fireworks stand. Rocket recovered.
08-30-2008 John Lee AT SU G80-4 Just Before 0-5 mph winds Event: Amateur Rocketeers of Texas Freedom Launch
- Great flight and easy recovery
10-11-2008 John Lee AT EconoJet F21-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Cornfield Classic 2008
- Exhibition flight for AF JROTC Rocket Meet. Good Flight
05-09-2009 John Lee RoadR SU F60-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Alamo Rocketeers Monthly Launch
- Good flight for a veteran rocket
02-27-2010 John Lee RoadR SU E25-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: ART Freedom Launch
- Much better than the Estes E for this rocket
02-23-2002 David Logan AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Built with Weldbond brand white glue, no problems at all. Flew beautifully on this motor. Mine has only through the wall tabs. The Weldbond held up great!!
04-27-2002 David Logan AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds -
04-28-2002 David Logan AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds -
07-27-2002 David Logan AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - cracked a fin fillet on landing.
03-08-2003 David Logan AT EconoJet F20-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds -
08-07-2004 David Logan AT EconoJet G35-7 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Beautiful rocket motor combo. Perfect flight and recovery using an AT 22 inch chute.
03-14-2009 Mike Lysic AT EconoJet F23-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Gumbert's field
- The F23 is slightly underpowered, very slow lift-off with a slow ascent. Overall a good flight though. Good motor for a small field.
03-16-2009 Mike Lysic AT EconoJet F23-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Gumbert's field
- Overall a good flight. the F23-4BJ motor is a bit underpowered for this rocket though, next time I'll go with the F20-4W. Liftoff was pretty slow, ejection was perfect at appogee though.
04-11-2009 Mike Lysic AT EconoJet F42-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Gumbert's field
- Great flight, really screamed of the pad with this motor.
05-19-2001 Klint Mann AT RMS F24-7 None - Unknown 5-10 mph winds - Well it went up beautifully (my first mid power launch)but at about 300 feet the wind pushed it over and it went straight down under about a half second before motor burnout and CRUNCH!! Mighte be repairable.
09-09-2000 Mike Riss AT RMS F52-8 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Great flight; touchdown just 200 yds. from pad; aft section landed upright!
08-30-2008 Mark Rose AT RMS G71-7 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: FREEDOM LAUNCH
- Amazingly fast boost for a G motor--superb match--even with my Graduator being a tad heavy. Estimate about 1200' apogee.
08-31-2008 Mark Rose AT RMS G76-7 None - Nose Cone Stuck 5-10 mph winds Event: FREEDOM LAUNCH
- Came in ballistic--not sure why. Ejection charge fired, but might have been weak and/or a too tight nose cone. All that's left is a fin can with just enough tube to fit a coupler...it will fly again.
12-14-2008 Mark Rose AT RMS G64-8 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: Orangeburg SC
- Excellent flight on rebuilt Graduator after ground dart experiment (result=all but 8 fincan was recoverable). Really pleasing G64/71/76 flights on relatively cheap motors.
04-04-2009 Mark Rose AT RMS H165-M Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: Orangeburg
- Flawless flight--Graduator really moves with this motor. This would be a superb L1 attempt combination.
11-21-2009 Mark Rose AT RMS G75-10 Late (2-3sec) Calm - Slow liftoff--never quite got going despite no wind--delay way too long. Luckily, no damage--will fly again.
12-19-2009 Mark Rose AT RMS G71-7 None - Nose Cone Stuck 10+ mph winds - Amazingly, it flat spun down--no damage
03-20-2010 Mark Rose AT RMS H128-M Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Great motor for this rocket--straight up despite wind.
09-18-2010 Mark Rose AT RMS H165-M Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Love the Redline--great match for this rocket--perfect L1 cert motor/rocket combo
02-20-2019 Mark Rose AT RMS H238-10 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds Flight Picture - Fantastic flight--this rocket was made for the 29/180 motors.
01-05-2002 Peter Smith AT SU F50-6 Apogee - Perfect
(1000 ft)
0-5 mph winds - Perfect flight to 1,000 feet. Nice visible blue flame, and very loud. Recovered 100 yards away; no damage. Used LOC 14 inch chute and Top Flight Recovery 60x6 inch streamer.
01-05-2002 Peter Smith AT SU F50-6 Apogee - Perfect
(2000 ft)
0-5 mph winds - Perfect flight to 2,000 feet. Nice visible blue flame, and very loud. Recovered 100 yards away; no damage. Used LOC 14 inch chute and Top Flight Recovery 60x6 inch streamer.
02-09-2002 Peter Smith AT EconoJet F23-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Good flight.Nice dense black smoke with loud rumble.Came down 10 yards from the pad. Used a LOC 14 inch chute.
02-09-2002 Peter Smith AT SU G40-7 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Big bright flame and lots of smoke and noise coming of the pad.Good boost to 2,300'. Recovered 1/4 mile away using a LOC 14 inch chute. And even that small chute was too much for a windy day.
04-20-2002 Peter Smith AT EconoJet F23-4 Apogee - NC Down
(900 ft)
0-5 mph winds - Nice smokey boost to 900 feet. Upon ejection the nose streched out the elastic and shot back and hit a fin cracking the fillet on it. The nose cone also lost some paint from hitting the fin. The damage was fixed easily.
10-06-2002 Peter Smith AT EconoJet G35-7 None - CATO Gusty - This rocket CATO'ed upon ignition. Although it wasn't much of a CATO, it just pushed the nosecone up some and the motor back some. Didn't even get off the pad. No damage to the rocket.
05-23-2004 Peter Smith 2x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Another great flight for my modified Graduator. Nice dual flames and plenty of smoke. Slow yet stable flight even in a good breeze.
08-??-1999 Russell Taragan AT SU F25-4 Apogee - NC Down Calm - Nice flight (one of my first F motors) around 900 ft altitude.
08-??-1999 Russell Taragan AT SU G25-10 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - My first G motor, nice long burn, probably my highest flight at the time (1800ft. ) I use 12in. chutes for the G+ motors.
09-??-1999 Russell Taragan AT SU F101-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Nice fast flight, rocket reduced to a blurrrrrr>
09-??-1999 Russell Taragan AT SU F25-4 Very Late 0-5 mph winds - This flight drifted past a farm, almost lost. It was recovered with a slight crack in the fin epoxy (should not have used a 12 chute here)
09-??-1999 Russell Taragan AT SU G80-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Despite the 12in. chute (not stock), drift still placed the rocket at the end of the recovery area (almost in a swamp!)
11-??-1999 Russell Taragan Est SU D12-3 None - Nose Cone Stuck Calm - Do not fly on this motor! The flight was low, the rocket was never stable, the ejection charge was not strong enough. (No Damage!)
01-??-2000 Russell Taragan AT RMS F39-6 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Nice (low cost) flight, average altitude and speed similar to an E30 with a bit more power.
03-??-2000 Russell Taragan AT SU G25-10 Very Late Calm - Again, a nice flight but the delay is too long, 5 sec. would be better. The perfect motor for this rocket(one can call it the EZ-G25:)
07-28-2000 Russell Taragan AT RMS H238-10 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Nice fast flight, good altitude despite fast motor. Estimated at 2000 ft, and a burn out of 400-450 mph.
08-11-2001 Russell Taragan AT RMS F39-6 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Pretty much as above, this motor is a nice cheap flight to fall back on. This rocket is very heavy now (probably 20 oz. or more) due to many layers of epoxy.
03-14-1999 David Urbanek AT SU F50-9 Very Late 10+ mph winds - Very late ejection. Almost looked like a lawn dart. Saved at last minute. Beefed up airframe and tubular nylon saved it.
03-21-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS H97-10 Apogee - NC Down Calm - Level 1 Cert. Very high boost. Good recovery. Cert Flight: L1
03-27-1999 David Urbanek NCR SU F62-6 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds - Wicked winds, but good boost anyway.
04-17-1999 David Urbanek AT SU G125-10 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Hook on nose cone pullled through. Very fast boost. 2152' alt (ALTS-05 in vented nose cone houseing).
04-18-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS G75-10 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Great flight. Good lift off, lots of smoke.
05-22-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS H238-10 Very Early 0-5 mph winds - Ejection just after burnout. No damage thanks to beefed up airframe and tubular nylon.
06-19-1999 David Urbanek AT SU G125-10 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Very fast boost again. Kind of a rough ejection.
07-17-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS G64-10 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds - Good boost, into the sun. Good motor for Graduators.
07-30-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS G75-10 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds Event: LDRS-17
- Argonia LDRS 17. Good flight. Long walk. Too darn hot!
08-01-1999 David Urbanek Kos TRM G65-8 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds - First Kosdon motor. Good boost, good smoke. Long walk. Too darn hot!
08-21-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS H128-10 Very Early 0-5 mph winds - Forward closure blow by. Burned up inside of rocket pretty bad. Fixed by cutting and then stretching by 11 and adding payload bay.
09-26-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS H128-10 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Very good flight. Had to get back on that horse, y'know.
11-13-1999 David Urbanek AT RMS H220-10 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds - Very, very fast boost. Cool motor.
12-18-1999 David Urbanek AT SU G80-10 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Fast White Lightning version of the motor. Good fast boost with lots of smoke and flame.
01-01-2000 David Urbanek Kos TRM H155-9 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Another good Kosdon load. Very loud and fast.
03-12-2000 David Urbanek AT RMS H180-10 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Good boost, really gets up there on this motor. Long walk.
03-26-2000 David Urbanek AT RMS H238-10 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Tried to get a picture, boost was too fast.
06-10-2000 David Urbanek AT RMS H180-M Apogee - NC Up Calm - Very fast boost. Big motor for this rocket. Very nice, though
06-18-2000 David Urbanek AT RMS H128-10 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds - Chute hung in tube, didn't come out. Flat spin, no damage.
09-24-2000 David Urbanek Kos TRM G75-9 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - At Hellfire 6, on Bonneville Salt Flats
11-26-2000 David Urbanek AT RMS H97-10 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - Turkey shoot 2000.
07-19-2001 David Urbanek AT RMS H268 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: LDRS-20
Magna Cum Louder - LDRS flight. Redline motor in 29/360 case. Very high flight. Chute stuck in top of body tube. No damage.
09-14-2001 David Urbanek AT RMS G104-M Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Magna Cum Louder - Great motor of a Graduator.
04-12-2008 James Weaver AT SU G77-10R Didn't See 10+ mph winds Event: April 08
Miss Mannelin - Very straight flight considering the wind. Great motor for this kit.
08-19-2006 Kyle Yawn AT SU F25-6 Apogee - Perfect Calm Kyle - This was the first flight of my Graduator that I have had for 8 months now. It was a beauty with a nice boost and perfect recovery.
11-18-2006 Kyle Yawn AT SU F50-6 Apogee - NC Up Calm Kyle - Great flight on this kit. It's another good reliable one in my fleet.
   

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