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REV 2.4 - Mon Feb 21 17:11:30 2011

Giant Leap
Thunderbolt 38
6061 Hibiscus Drive
Baton Rouge, LA, 70808
(225) 954-0325
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SPECS: 56" x 1.52" - 26 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: F50-8.82, G80-11.4, H123-15.1, I161-17.6, I300-18.6, J350-20.5

Rating
(Contributed - by Thomas F. Rau - 05/01/02)

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Brief:
Single stage, minimum diameter, hpr, with 24" Parachute. Optional SlimLine motor retainer, 29mm adaptor, Kevlar® shock cord, Kevlar® chute protector.

Construction:
Kit contains:

  • Single 56 inch long, 38mm non-brittle phenolic tubing.
  • One Acme Zytec fin-can (3 fin).
  • One ogive nose cone.
  • Coupler with section of all-thread attached through walls for shock-cord attachment.
  • Set of acme conformal launch lugs (.25 inch).
  • 24" round chute with swivel.
  • Optional upgrades:
    • 15 foot Kevlar® shock cord (.25 inch).
    • Kevlar® chute pad.
    • SlimLine motor retainer.
    • 38-29mm SlimLine adaptor

Pros: GiantLeap Rocketry's kit is as advertised, easy to build. Kit arrived promptly, packaged well. Instructions were easy to follow. After some prep sanding simply epoxy the fin can onto the body tube leaving room to tape an engine in or for the optional SlimLine retainer. Attach the shock-cord to the piece of all thread running through the coupler then epoxy the coupler into the tube. Epoxy on the conformal launch lugs. Attach the Kevlar® pad, chute and nose cone and you're done. All in Launch Picall and extremely sturdy and easy to build kit. Other than the standard supplies (epoxy, filler, sand paper, paint) you will need a rod long enough to reach inside the tube about 30 inches to apply epoxy and push the coupler (shock mount) into the body tube. Fit was virtually perfect with very little sanding needed.

Cons: Just the standard with almost all kits, the stock nose cone attachment is useless.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight/Recovery:
Since the kit is so rugged it is designed to come back down quickly on a 24" chute. Because of the small diameter I used the optional Kevlar® shock cord and Kevlar® heat pad to eliminate the need for wadding. No damage to the fins or tube on landing.

The only problem during its first launch on a Pro38 1 Grain was one I expected. In the rush to get ready for the launch I skipped adding an eyebolt to the nose cone and used the stock connection and had the nose cone part company during deployment.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
This kit truly is almost ready to fly. An easy build for a new BAR such as myself. Previous to this kit I had only built a LOC-IV (thanks to the reviews here I beefed up the fins and they stayed put even after coming down directly on one fin). More experienced fliers will still enjoy the performance potential of this minimum diameter kit (10,000' on a J350). First flight was on a Pro-38 1 Grain with a 7 sec delay which was almost right at apogee. With the smaller motor the rocket was over-stable and did weather cock in the wind (around 15-20 at launch) not helped by the fact I angled the launch rod. I suggest upgrading to the Kevlar® shock cord and Kevlar® heat pad for the chute. Due to the 38mm body tube its much easier not having to fuss with wadding. I also opted for the slim-line retainer (works and looks great) and the 29mm adapter. If you're looking for an easy to build, high performance, yet able to take abuse rocket you should consider this kit.

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


Rating
(by Herb Estus - 06/10/02)

Brief:
38mm minimum diameter rocket that can be flown with anywhere from an F50 with the optional 29mm adaptor to a 38mm J350.

Construction:

  • 8" Ogive nosecone
  • 38mm Acme Fin can
  • 48" 38mm non-brittle phenolic tubing
  • 2" coupler with a metal roll pin for shock chord attachment
  • 1/4" Acme conformal launch lugs
  • 12' of Strap Nylon for shock cord
  • 24" parachute with swivel
  • 1- 7 1/4" Thunderbolt 38 decal
  • I added the following options:
    • 38mm slim line motor retainer
    • 29mm slim line motor adaptor

Pro's- instructions where detailed and easy to follow with directions for using the slim line retainers or not using them. Motor retainer and fin can epoxied easy enough attached shock cord to coupler then epoxied into tube, I just put the coupler far enough down to allow for the parachute and some wadding.

Finishing:
Sanded mold lines from nose cone and fin can. Used wood filler to fill in spiral grooves in tubing. I just primered it for now, not sure what color or colors I want it.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
I just flew this on a F50-4t. It was slightly breezy but, the flight was nice and straight. A low altitude flight. However, the delay was a bit too long. The rocket was halfway back down before the ejection charge fired. Talk about a lump in throat feeling. But it does fly with this motor. Next time, thought, I will use something with a bit more power. It will definitely be more impressive with a bigger motor.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
Pros- The kit is as advertised very simple and easy to build less than 1 1/2 hrs to finish, other than letting epoxy set. Con's- If I had to do over I would have used the Kevlar® cord didn't think about it until rocket was together now going to be nearly impossible to change it. I would have also bought the parachute protector.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Lance Alligood [Who's Who Page] - 08/09/06) Giant Leap Thunderbolt38

Brief:
The Giant Leap Thunderbolt38 is a minimum diameter "almost ready to fly" high power rocket. By keeping the parts list as simple as possible, this rocket could be built and ready to fly in a single, rather short build session--especially for a high power rocket. However, despite the simplicity of the design, I would not consider this to be a good choice for someone just getting started in high power rocketry because this rocket is capable of extreme altitudes even on modest motors.

Construction:
I purchased the kit from one of Giant Leap's launch representatives at a recent club launch. It comes in a thick plastic bag with all of the smaller parts in a plastic bag contained in the packaging making it easy to locate and identify all of the parts of the kit. The bag contained the following parts:

  • 1 48" long x 38mm diameter phenolic body tube
  • 1 4" long heavy duty phenolic coupler tube with threaded rod insert
  • 1 plastic nose cone
  • 1 ACME fin can with instruction sheet
  • 1 pair of ACME conformal launch lugs, 1/4"
  • 16' tubular nylon shock cord
  • 30" nylon parachute
  • 1 heavy-duty swivel
  • 1 peel 'n' stick decal
  • 1 8.5" x 11" instruction sheet

I also purchased a 38mm Slimline motor retainer at the same time for use with this kit. What surprised me most when I picked up the kit was that the body tube is a single 4 foot long piece of phenolic. That means that mounting an altimeter--much less using dual deployment recovery--was going to be difficult, if not impossible, to implement without some serious modifications.

The instructions contained on both sides of a single sheet of paper are basic but are more than adequate enough for the build. Most of the first side of the instructions focus on the installation of the optional Slimline motor retainer. I chose to save the attachment of the retainer until after painting was completed. I dry fit the retainer onto one end of the lengthy body tube and made a mark on the tube so that I would ensure the fin can is forward enough for attachment of the Slimline at the end of the build.

Easily the trickiest part of the build is epoxying the coupler in the middle of the airframe. The instructions are a little vague as far as exactly where the coupler should be glued, but it does mention that you need to consider the length of the largest motor that you would ever want to use in this rocket. The threaded rod going through the middle of the coupler serves as an attachment point for the shock cord, so you also have to consider putting it towards the center because the shock cord, wadding/heat shield, and parachute have to fit forward of the anchor as well! I fly my share of H and I class motors but I hate to be limited in my motor choice even if it's one that I might not actually fly with any regularity (in this case, those long 38mm J motors). The instructions recommending the use of a long wood dowel for spreading the epoxy but also post a strong warning of not getting any epoxy inside the aft part of the airframe to impede putting a motor in the rocket. Aside from the issue of shipping such a long tube (had I ordered the kit), attaching the coupler/anchor poses quite a challenge. Instead I put some thought into the build and came up with a much, much easier solution: cut the airframe in half with a Dremel and then epoxy the coupler to rejoin the airframe. I made the cut exactly in the middle, which left 22" in the aft half in case I ever go insane with an AeroTech J570 and then left just as much room for all of the recovery hardware in the forward half. I made sure to do 2 things in the process of rejoining the airframe: 1) I made sure to have a large flat surface so that I could roll the tube to ensure that the tubes would be aligned straight, and 2) I used 15 minute epoxy so that I wouldn't have to roll the tube for half an hour until the epoxy cured!

After that, there is very little else left in the build--just epoxying the one piece fin can, attaching the launch lugs and tying the shock cord. The fin can needed some light sanding to smooth out the flashing from the mold. A palm sander with 220 grit sandpaper made quick work of smoothing out the flash ridges from the mold. There is a separate sheet of instructions with the fin can which states that the fin can is designed to be used with several different brands of tubing. There was a little bit of "wiggle room" on the GL phenolic. The instructions recommend that you put wraps of masking tape on the body tube near the forward and aft ends of where the fin can is going to be epoxied on. Once satisfied with the location of the masking tape, I slathered epoxy on the tube and slid the fin can into place then set it aside.

I waited until the next day to attach the shock cord. The instructions actually have you tying the shock cord onto the attachment rod before epoxying it in the body tube but I chose to wait because I wanted to us a secure but sliding knot that I could (with the aid of a long metal hook) extract the shock cord to periodically examine the shock cord for damage as well as easy future replacement if necessary. I tied a bowline knot so I had a loop in one end of the shock cord, put a little epoxy on the knot for security, fed the shock cord around the anchor, passed the untied end through the loop, and then pulled it tight. This will allow me to easily check the entire shock cord periodically and even replace it if need be. I tied the swivel to the shock cord, drilled a couple of small holes in the base of the nose cone, and tied the other end of the shock cord to the nose cone. It also took a few wraps of masking tape for the nose cone to fit and stay in place acceptably.

Next, I lined up the launch lugs by first using angle iron to draw a line running the length the body tube. I found that the included adhesive with the launch lugs to not be very reliable so I roughed up the conformal surface of the lugs with 220 grit sandpaper and stuck them to the body tube with dabs of 15-minute epoxy. One lug was placed just forward of the fin can and the other one is about 10 inches forward of the aft lug. And there was one last thing that I did that was not mentioned in the instructions: I drilled a vent hole in the upper half of the body tube. I did this to not only prevent separation from internal air pressure but also as a sensor hole for a barometric sensing altimeter, which would most likely only be used for recording peak altitude.

Finishing:
The phenolic airframe has marked spirals, but not the worst I've seen. Reading the instructions, I was pleased to find that they were exactly how I finish my rockets. I applied diluted Elmer's Wood Filler to the grooves and sanded it smooth then a coat of Krylon gray primer was sprayed and wet sanded with 400 grit sandpaper. I had to do this process twice to ensure that I smoothed out any traces of the spiraled grooves.

I'm a big fan of Krylon paints and they recently released some new line of metallic spray paints called X Metals. It is designed be used directly on metal, but there is a special base coat spray that will allow you to use it on non-metal (or as the label says, "pre-painted") surfaces. Be careful to read the directions on both X Metals cans as you have to wait 5-10 minutes between recoating with the base coat and the color top coat must be sprayed 30 minutes after the last base coat. I found that it took 2 passes with the base coat to get full coverage and that the translucent purple top coat didn't initially allow much of a metallic shine right after spraying it, but within an hour it had the awesome sparkly finish I was looking for!

The last steps were to apply the smallish peel 'n' stick Thunderbolt38 decal and use JB Weld to permanently attach the Slimline motor retainer. The decal isn't going to earn much in the way of style points, but with such a long, skinny rocket, fancy decals would hardly be worth the effort of being put on this rocket anyway. The Slimline retainer hardly affects the overall aerodynamics of the rocket but I would be lying if I didn't admit being slightly disappointed that Loki Research motors cannot be easily retained with the Slimline. The motor fits inside the retainer but there is too much casing aft of the motor's thrust ring to get the retainer snap ring on. Perhaps the threaded version of the Slimline would have been a better choice...?

PROs: Definitely lives up to the advertised "almost ready to fly" billing as it was completely built in under 2 hours (and could have been faster if I'd used faster curing epoxy!) Excellent quality components make for a nearly bulletproof rocket. With such few parts and thorough instructions, it's difficult to botch the build.

CONs: For those maximum performance freaks like me, the finished rocket is on the heavy side for its size (it weighs almost twice as much as the comparably sized LOC Weasel). Building per the instructions can be tricky when it comes to the shock cord attachment and would make shock cord inspection and replacement difficult. I spent more time filling and sanding the body tube spirals than actually building the kit! (Although some people might think of this last comment as a pro.) Slimline retainer and Loki motors aren't a good combination.

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Giant Leap Thunderbolt38

Flight:
For a shakedown flight, I prepped a G61W-M. The Slimline retainer held it adequately in place. I clipped a Nomex heat shield to the shock cord and packed the shock cord and chute using the shield to wrap them up like a burrito. It was a snug fit but not so much that there were any potential concern about it being pushed out at ejection. The winds were a steady 15-20mph. Not my ideal rocket flying weather, but I felt it was still OK for this motor-rocket combination. The motor lit and the rocket came off the rail to battle the intense winds. It weathercocked but not as bad as I had anticipated as it coasted to apogee.

I followed up a month later with a G67R-M flight. The weather was quite the opposite of the previous month--light breezes that never seemed to exceed 5mph. In a word, idyllic for flying rockets. Boost seemed quicker and altitude was noticeably greater than the first flight due to better field conditions.

Recovery:
The 30" nylon chute is a very bright neon orange for easy tracking. Since this kit is pretty much intended to fly on motor ejection single deployment for recovery, I wish the chute was a little smaller. The 30" chute might be great for those flying this rocket at higher altitudes, but a 27" or 28" flat or 24" hemispherical chute would be a better choice for those of us at sea level, especially when I attempt to get some serious altitude. I just don't want to be chasing it any further than necessary. The nylon strap shock cord is adequate although it has a slick feel which allows knots to become easily untied. I definitely make sure to check the knots in the shock cord before every flight. I haven't ruled out upgrading the shock cord to some tubular Kevlar either.

Giant Leap Thunderbolt38 Ejection for the first flight came on the early side (it was more like 6 seconds than 10), however, that wasn't necessarily a bad thing as it kept it in the air less time to drift. The 30" chute brought it down safely but a little slower than what I like. The nose cone appeared to have smacked against a fin, taking a chunk of paint off the nose cone. Nothing a little sanding and painting wouldn't take care of...

The second flight ejected right at apogee and I again wished for a slightly smaller chute. The Thunderbolt seemed to hang up there a while even though it came down relatively close to the pad.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
There is no disagreeing that Giant Leap Rocketry Thunderbolt 38 is an easy to build high performance rocket. What it may carry around in weight, that extra heft directly corresponds with the robust choice of components making up the kit, which is built to last. The only modification or upgrade I would recommend for this kit is adding a Slimline retainer to resolve any concerns about motor retention.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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11/04 - "Great rocket to build and fly. It's my first venture into HPR and the instructions are simple and it's a great first-time kit. Would highly recommend the slim-line retainer ring. Also would highly recommend a chute protector and a Kevlar® cord, it's worth the added expense. My Level I cert. flight flew like a bat outta hell!! " (D.M. )

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
05-25-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS G79-L Very Late 0-5 mph winds - Delay too long, zippered 2 inches of body tube.
06-20-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS H128-M Apogee - NC Down Light winds Event: NERRF4
- Good flight, certified on this flight. Cert Flight: L1
06-20-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS H128-M Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds Event: NERRF4
- Good flight. The stock 30 chute was too large and rocket drifted about 1000 feet. Started to rain.
06-21-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS H165-M Didn't See Calm Event: NERRF4
- Fast off the rail. Very good motor for this rocket, with perfect delay. Flew with new 24 chute, did not drift far.
06-21-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS G77-M Didn't See Calm Event: NERRF4
- Good flight.
06-22-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS G79-M Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds Event: NERRF4
- Delay little long, zippered 1/2 inch of tube. Started to rain just before flight.
07-19-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS G77-8 Didn't See Calm - Used AT EFC to deploy chute, great flight.
08-17-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS G79-9 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Good flight. EFC set at 9 sec., slightly early.
08-17-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS H165-9 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Fast off the rail. Great motor for rocket. EFC set at 9 sec., should be couple seconds longer.
10-19-2008 Brian Abild AT RMS H165-11 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Great flight, very quick boost. About 2500'
06-17-2006 Lance Alligood AT RMS G61-M Very Early 10+ mph winds - Nice boost but ejection charge came WAY too early. NC got a little dinged up but just cosmetic damage. Will definitely fly again but hopefully on a day with much less wind...
07-15-2006 Lance Alligood AT RMS G67-M Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Superb flight. Impressive altitude for such a small motor. I really need to get brave & fly this rocket on a H... Shoudl consider a smaller chute as with the light winds it had a little bit of drift.
09-16-2006 Lance Alligood Ces RLD H153-13 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Great flight with plenty of altitude, however, my PicoAlt altimeter malfunctioned & didn't record peak altitude. Excellent recovery close to the pad despite the windy conditions!
11-17-2007 Lance Alligood Loki RLD I405-15 Didn't See
(6022 ft)
5-10 mph winds - I totally went for it with this rocket & motor...and I was not disappointed! The weather was perfect for tracking a rocket going this high & fast. Spent about an hour until I found it 1/4 mile from the pad. Personal altitude record. Awesome!
01-19-2008 Lance Alligood SkyR Hybrid G125 -Altim None - Unknown 5-10 mph winds RIP - Second hybrid attempt turned out to be just like the first. Not enough gas & the rocket pranged into the field, destroying it & the RRC2 onboard. Status: Lawn Dart
06-02-2002 Herb Estus AT SU F50-4 Very Late Light winds - Nice straight low flight motor not quite enough for this rocket will be better on larger motor. Recovery was good though
06-22-2002 Herb Estus AT RMS G75-6 Just Past (1-2sec) Light winds - Very nice straight flight/Shock cord burnt thru/Recovered all parts will fly again/Body free fell from about 1500' no damage other than paint chipped off.
04-22-2007 Jacob Gold AT RMS H128-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Flys great on this motor! Cert Flight: L1
05-14-2005 Andrew Grippo Ces RLD G69-9 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds Event: Southern Thunder 2005
- Great straight maiden flight to 1,800' per rocksim. Good recovery but a long walk after being launched in high wind. Beautiful sod field to fly on in Manchester, Tennessee.
05-15-2005 Andrew Grippo AT RMS H165-10 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds Event: Southern Thunder 2005
- Very nice high flight to about 2,500' on a small H motor. This rocket flies straight and true and is solid as a tank. Recovered without damage.
09-30-2006 Andrew Grippo Ces RLD I205-15 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Monthly Launch
- Good straight and fast boost with main at apogee. Rocket sims to 6000' on this motor. Landed in tree but recovered after much effort. Took one away from a Rocket Eating Tree on this flight. Yahoo!!!
12-09-2006 Andrew Grippo Ces RLD I205-15 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Winnsboro, LA
- Fast, straight boost to around 6000 feet. Landed about 1 1/2 miles north of pads in far field. Need to start using a streamer with this high flying rocket.
11-01-2008 Andrew Grippo Ces RLD I285-15 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Midwest Power 6
- Never saw the chute come out at apogee and lost signal when the rocket hit the ground. Rocket returned by fellow flyer later in day. Minor damage to body tube.
07-15-2002 Steve Hunker AT RMS H73-8 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Great flight, this well-designed rocket doesn't disappoint.
01-08-2004 Doug Mumphrey Ces RLD H153-8 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: High Cotton
- Beautiful flight, quick liftoff!! Perfect deployment and recovery.
03-27-2004 Doug Mumphrey Ces RLD H153-10 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: High Cotton
- Beautiful boost, straight and level. Good deployment. Used 10s delay, caused minor zipper on the edge of BT. Rocket judged in flyable condition. Good first flight!
04-21-2002 Thomas Rau Ces RLD G60-7 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds - Delay was slighty long due to the winds, rocket weather-cocked.

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