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REV 2.4 - Mon Nov 29 00:11:24 2010

FlisKits
Rose-a-Roc
6 Jennifer Drive
Merrimack, NH 03054
(603) 494-1145
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SPECS: 16" x .736" - oz
ROCKSIM FILE: MISSING - please submit here
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: 1/2A6-2, A8-3, B6-2, C6-3

Rating
(Contributed - by Chan Stevens [Who's Who Page] - 09/07/07)

Brief:
You read that right. The classic Art Rose helicopter design based upon the Rota-Roc is going to be available in kit form. This review is of the beta version of the kit, which Jim Flis allowed me to build while at NARAM-49. I was so impressed with this kit that I wound up flying it in the A helicopter duration event at NARAM.

FlisKits Rose-A-Rock

The standard Rota-Roc is the most popular and basic competition helicopter design with external blades attached/hinged at the top of the body tube using elastic and blade stops (wedges) to pop the blades out at ejection. Because the blades are outside the nose cone and the wedges are like tiny fins, the Rota-Roc is fairly high drag/low boost.

The Rose-a-Roc takes that basic design quite a bit further. First, it uses blades that fold in half along the length and they attach to a small diameter shaft. As a result, they lie in the drag shadow of the cone. Next, the wedges/blade stops are eliminated by mounting the blades to a hub underneath the nose cone. It's a much more efficient design with a higher boost, but the complexity of the hub and blade mounting has been so intimidating as to scare away many a prospective builder (including me). Fortunately, Jim Flis has taken the complexity out of the hub while still holding close to the Rose-a-Roc design, resulting in something much more builder-friendly.

FlisKits Rose-A-Rock

Construction:
Again, this was a beta kit, and Jim managed to sneak back from NARAM with my built beta so I'm doing the parts list from memory...

  • 2 balsa nose cones, drilled for upper and lower
  • 3/16" wood dowel/shaft
  • 3 piece laser cut disk set (replaces the Rose hub)
  • 1/16" balsa stock for blades
  • 3/32" balsa fin stock
  • BT-20 motor tube (roughly 5" long)
  • CR520 centering rings
  • assorted wire/elastic for blade deployment

As a beta kit, instead of instructions I basically got the 1983 Model Rocketeer article that introduced the Rose-Roc, along with the original plans, and a FlisKits part schematic drawing. The final product will, I'm sure, have the standard quality instructions to be expected with a FlisKit. Jim and I traded a number of tips while working on this, most of which are going to be listed as optional performance enhancing tips rather than rolled into the design as Jim is trying to remain as close as possible to the original Art Rose design.

FlisKits Rose-A-Rock I have extensive helicopter experience, having built at least 12 previous competition copter models and managed to complete this in about 6-7 hours over two evenings, although a good part of that was figuring out how to build it as I ambled along. I would expect the released kit to take roughly the same amount of time and is every bit a skill level 3 and more likely a 4. Even with the greatly simplified hub, this is still a complex design and requires careful attention to detail and modeling skills.

I started at the bottom, working with the motor tube. I had to punch a couple of vent holes making sure they were at least 1" back from the aft end as a nose cone goes into this tube too. Apply a good bead of glue or epoxy inside as this section will suffer a lot of wear and tear from ejection charges.

The beta kit included a centering ring to act as an engine block, but after some discussion, it looks like Jim is going to switch to a 1" coupler tube, which will help stiffen the tube and absorb some of the ejection force. At the forward end of the tube goes the aft nose cone--a basic BT-20 cone but with a hole drilled in the tip to accommodate the dowel/shaft.

FlisKits Rose-A-Rock The Rose-a-Roc standard fins are long, swept, and fairly high drag, especially since I only planned on flying this on A and B motors so I made a little substitution and went with some smaller G10 fins from Aerospace Speciality Products. I believe the standard kit will include the swept fin pattern as well as an optional tip for smaller delta or trapezoidal fins.

Next up come the blades, which are the most time consuming aspect of the project, assuming you want a decent airfoil. Since the beta was a last minute cobbling together of some common materials, I am not sure what balsa the finished kit will use but will say I used a single piece of 3x12 stock for the blades. Before cutting anything, I first airfoiled the outside edges as trailing edges. I then marked 1" lines and cut one of the blades loose. Next, I airfoiled a trailing edge on the freshly cut 2" wide piece and a leading edge on the freshly cut 1" piece. I then cut the 2" piece into two 1 inch blades, sanding leading edges onto each. This seems to me to be the best method for ensuring even airfoils and consistent blade weights, which is a key to copter performance.

FlisKits Rose-A-Rock Once you've got airfoiled blades, it's time to upgrade them to Rose-a-Roc folding style. First, you need to cut out a roughly 5/8" section from the interior edge of the blade, which is used as the top half of a balsa sandwich that hold the hinges in place. I'm sure the instructions will make this clear and simple, but I goofed and cut mine on the wrong side (it should be trailing side, not leading side). I was able to work around this goof, but it basically cost me over half an inch of blade length. After you've removed the notch, you need to split the blade lengthwise. Again, I'm not sure how the final kit will handle this as Jim intends to use Monokote as hinge material, which we did not have available for the beta build. What I wound up doing through trial and error getting better with each blade was applying reinforced fiberglass packing tape to the flat side of each blade then making the cut from the airfoiled side roughly halfway into the wood. I then split the seam open by hand. The key is to make it flexible enough to fold back over onto itself but firm enough to stop and not open to more than a perfectly flat/airfoiled 180 degree position (e.g., you don't want the tape hinge to stretch or slip, holding the underside flat). You then glue little elastic pieces across the top side of the blades in 3 positions. With the elastic in place, the blade can be folded onto itself but will snap back open. The final blade step is tacking on a U-hook made by forming some heavy duty stiff wire. I had all sorts of fits getting the wire bent precisely right, which is critical. Jim and I discussed a number of possible enhancements, and I believe he will be some sort of alignment jig or go/no-go gauge.

If you've gotten this far, it's all easy the rest of the way. The painful Rose-a-Roc hub is replaced by a 3-piece set of plywood disks. The aft-most piece is basically just an alignment piece to keep the blade hinges at 120-degree orientation. The middle piece is pre-drilled for the 12 holes you have to thread wire through to keep the blade hinges in place. The top piece serves to wedge the wire loops taught in place. Once Jim tipped me off that there was some thin thread-like wire (iron wire) for this, it was a breeze. Prior to that, I was trying to thread heavy piano wire, which was incredibly stiff!

FlisKits Rose-A-Rock The wire hub is fixed in place on the shaft, most likely with a pair of launch lug pieces. It's possible to convert this to a spinning hub design, although I won't get into that within this review. You would basically attach the hub to a lug (not the shaft) and let the lug spin freely. The elastic from the blades would be attached to the end of this lug instead of the nose cone. The NAR web site has a Whirl-a-While design that is a similar spinning hub variant of this design.

All that's left of construction is attaching the blade elastic--one end inside the balsa sandwich formed from that notch you cut out earlier and the other end to the bottom of the forward nose cone. Once that's done, glue the nose cone in place and glue the shaft to the lower balsa nose cone. I found the pre-drilled cones too sloppy a fit and had to build up the dowel with a paper wrap, but this will surely be resolved before release.

Finishing:
Since this is mainly a competition design, you will not want to weigh it down with a paint job so it's best to stick with colored Sharpie marker accents on the blades. I prefer black bottom surfaces and red top surfaces, which are easier to spot in the air and on the grass respectively.

Construction Rating: 3 ½ out of 5

Flight:
For the first flight, I wanted to test it out on the NARAM sport range so I slipped a 1/2A-6 into it, placed it on an 18mm piston launcher (the kit comes with launch lugs, however, I chose to avoid the drag), and slipped over to the sport check-in.

The model was a bit heavy for the 1/2A, but it still got a respectable boost to maybe 100 feet. The deployment/transition was perfect, and it settled into a great rotation. I did not time the practice flight but would estimate I held almost a minute in the air on that 1/2A.

With the practice flight under my belt, I switched to an A8-3 and went over to the contest range to enter this in the A-copter duration event. I did not expect it to be wildly competitive as the best models for this are lightweight 13mm designs, not a rugged 18mm design capable of handling a C. Nevertheless, I got a pretty good boost on that A8, equaling what the 13mm models were hitting. Unfortunately, I changed my burn string winding method a bit and that wound up being a bad idea--the burn string did not break loose so the blades did not deploy. The tumble recovery was good for about 25 seconds, but I was disqualified for the non-deployment.

Recovery:
Pros on flight would be excellent boosts and great rotation/duration. Cons would be the finicky nature of copter burn strings in general though I reviewed this with Jim and we think we have a good technique that will wind up in the instructions. With this type of competition-style copter there will always be some risk of non-deployment, but when it does deploy this is a thing of pure beauty.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
I love the fact that the Rose-a-Roc has been demystified that most builders can tackle it. This is a sweet helicopter, and I highly recommend it but only after you've got a standard Rota-Roc under your belt (plans are available on the NAR.org site under competition/plans).

The only cons I can offer up are the pure Rose-a-Roc aspects such as large, draggy fins and the fixed hub versus rotating hub. Also, this thing is a bit of a pain to store and handle--with the elastic fixed to the blade and hub, you either store it with blades extended or compressed and under tension. That's not a good design for long life and some variant with removable elastic would be a great enhancement.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
09/08 - "After losing 2 Rota-Rocs in the 90's to wind and thermals on B & C motors, I couldn't wait to try this Folded Rotor Copter. It's light wt. 0.70 oz. and small frontal profile were bound to be a real performer. I also built a second copter with balanced rotors, stop blocks and "S" hooks for rubber removal and replacement. Several flights so far on A8-3's were extremely long flights with a fear of losing them again. Lots of fun" (K.B.J.)

GUEST's OPINION:
09/07 - "Thank you Chan for this review, for building the beta and for all of your feedback :) Many of the points you make will be addressed in the final product. After the Nanite MMX RG, the Rose-a-Roc is next. As you pointed out, many of the improvements to the design will be offered as hints and tips throughout the build. The intent here is to provide a faithful reproduction of the actual Rose-a-Roc letting the modeler consider changes as they build. As for the MonoKote for the blade hinges, after a conversation with Art Rose I am looking for a source for mylar tape. Keep watch for an announcement before years end! jim" (J.F.)

[Enter Rocket Specific Tip]

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
09/08 - "Make rotors out of only dense "C" Balsa, make sure dowel is straight and use Medium CA to tack hub wires as you go along. I also added a 3/32" piece to the bottom of the rotor tab. The Kit 1/16" cut piece I used for top support. This gave me a sandwich on the rotor tab of the 1/16" piece, the tab itself and the bottom support of 3/32". Bevel the edges at 60D for a tight closure. This added thickness gave me more strength. Also provided the thickness to cut in relief channels for the bent "U" hinge. Hence a uncompressed wire hinge for easier assembly. See Future Article, FlisKits Rose-A-Roc Detailed Review Part 1. " (K.B.J. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
06/08 - "This tip outlines an alternative method to make a free spinning rotor for the Rose-A-Roc. First step - find the disk called the "cap disk" - see figure 19 in the instructions and make a duplicate of this disk. Next, cut a 7/8" piece of 1/8" launch lug. In step 27 slide small nylon washer on prior to the rotor assembly. Mark the washers location in order to achieve the 1/16" clearance, remove the rotor and glue the washer in place. Next side the rotor assembly back in place and side the 7/8" launch lug on to the rotor shaft and glue the lug to the top of the rotor, making sure not to glue either the rotor or the launch lug to the shaft. Next slide the disk you cut on the shaft and glue it to the opposite of the launch lug from rotor assembly. Again, make sure you do not glue either the disk or the launch lug to the shaft. Now side another small plastic washer on to the shaft and glue in place roughly 1/16" from the disk you just glued in place. The rotor should now spin freely from the shaft. Now move on to step 29. Replace Steps 36 & 37 with this - attached the rubber band by gluing to the underside of the disk just below the nose cone. The rotor should spin freely. This tip should improve your flight times.(picture 1) (picture 2)" (A.R.K. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
05/08 - "PicTo accomodate changeable rubber bands I added 3 small J-shaped hooks just beneath the nosecone. There was plenty of wire left over from making the hinges to make each hook. The upper shaft of the J for each hook (~1/2" long") was pushed up into the nosecone right next to the dowel (see photo). I left just enough of the shaft of each hook exposed so, once all 3 were in, I could wrap around all of them and the dowel with thread, which I then soaked with superglue. Since I had already cut the slots in the blades as per the instructions, I just looped small rubber bands from the hook, through the slot, and back to the hook. Works great, and way easier to store. Photo shows the finished look, with a rubber band of the appropriate size ($1 for 1000 at the dollar store) sitting on the blade. All in all, a great, easy, modification. Very strong, quick, and makes for a much more storeable and serviceable helicopter. " (S.K. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
11-07-2009 Jim Bassham Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Snow Ranch
- First Flight. Hard to set up, but flew perfect. Really high for a A motor and such a draggy design. Drifted over a nearby hill. Impressive.
11-14-2009 Jim Bassham Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: 4H Club
- One blade hung up and it tumbled 50ft or so until it deployed, then it was ok.
11-22-2009 Jim Bassham Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Fresno
- Everything worked perfectly and I got a 52sec flight. Wish the helecopter duration contest hadn't been cancelled!
12-05-2009 Jim Bassham Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Snow Ranch
- Flew on a calm, cold day. Really nice, gentle flight. Got some great in-flight pictures. Real crowd pleaser.
01-02-2010 Jim Bassham Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: Snow Ranch
- Excellent Flight on a calm day. Flew right back to me and I caught it.
04-03-2010 Jim Bassham Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: LUNAR Spring Contest
- Snow Ranch Contest - slight hang on deployment, but made slightly over 50 seconds.
04-03-2010 Jim Bassham Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: LUNAR Spring Contest
- Second contest flight - a kid almost caught it which would have disqualified me. Combined flights gave me first place.
08-05-2010 Jim Bassham Apo SU D10-5 Apogee - Perfect Calm Flight PictureEvent: NARAM 52
- NARAM 52 D-helecopter Duration - Amazing flight of 6 minutes 45 seconds for NAR record. Found rocket hanging in a tree in the canyon and had to find a way to get it back for the retrieval. Amazing!
08-05-2010 Jim Bassham Apo SU D10-5 Apogee - Perfect Calm RIPEvent: NARAM 52
- Second contest flight. Drifted away and timers lost track after 4 minutes 30 seconds. I lost sight and didn't know where to search. Sad to lose my record-setting rocket. Status: Lost
02-03-2008 Moe Bertrand Est SU A8-3 None - Glider Calm Flight PictureEvent: Field Launch
- 1st test flight. No rotor deployment=desert dart. All 3 blades separated at hub. Possibly repairable. Excellent kit to build -maybe I wrapped burn string too tight on blades as it burned through as designed.
02-16-2008 Moe Bertrand Est SU B4-2 None - Unknown Calm RIPEvent: Rainbow Valley
- Again, my Rose-A-Roc did a Desert Dart and snapped all the blades off. I think the deployment rubber bands may not be strong enough to deploy the blades but I used what came with the kit... go figure. Status: Retired
05-24-2008 Moe Bertrand Est SU B6-2 Very Early Light winds RIPFlight PictureEvent: PRM-16
- PRM-16 B Helicopter Event. Motor blow-through on the pad...gained about 6 feet altitude with rotor deployed. This is the same rocket I earlier retired but fixed (for a second time) and attempted to fly. Status: Retired
09-20-2008 Edward Chess Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: Raintree Park
- First flight. Ejected motor. Took a second or two to orient and start rotation, but performed very well once helicopter action started. Very long descent and very soft landing.
05-23-2009 Edward Chess Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: NSL 2009
- Very long recovery flight time. Just perfect rotor deploy, and started spinning fairly soon.
09-12-2009 Edward Chess Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: Sept Club Launch/Davis Park
- Ejection delay timing good, but took a while for wings to deploy, losing altitude. Still, a crowd pleaser and no damage.
05-15-2010 Edward Chess Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds Event: May Club Launch/Davis Park
- Another great flight with reasonably quick deployment of rotor blades. Very high rotor speed and long recovery.
11-09-2008 Tim Dicke Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds Event: Flying Pig V
- First flight qualified for the A-Helicopter duration event. Rotation was very slow and so the descent was quite fast (11 sec). Turns out the blades did not fully deploy for some reason...
11-09-2008 Tim Dicke Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds Event: Flying Pig V
- Second flight went much better. Blades fully deployed and we had much better rotation. 30sec flight time.
07-26-2008 Kenneth Jarosch Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: MASA NowThen Launch
- I launched the first flight on low power early at 9:30 to avoid winds and thermals. The copter opened at great height, immediately began to rotate. Only a down draft saved it from drifting off the range.
07-26-2008 Kenneth Jarosch Est SU A8-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds Event: MASA NowThen Launch
- This is RocII. Lower Altitude. Slower Start. Better & faster Rotation. Wind blast fliped copter while hovering. Came down inverted. Stop Blocks set to 2 DL. Needs Adjustment. RocI is 3.9 DL
08-09-2008 Kenneth Jarosch Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: TRA N. Branch Launch
- This time I took the RocI (Almost stock) copter to the HPR launch to show the TRA-MN guys the copter. Once again it really went up there, opened at apogee. Used up most of the field before it came down. Great Copter flight
07-31-2007 Chan Stevens Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Event: NARAM-49 A-HD
- Piston-launched, good boost. No blade deploy--burn string failure and very weakened elastic (stored in stretched position)
07-31-2007 Chan Stevens Est SU 1/2A6-2 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Event: NARAM-49 sport
- Great rotation and hang time, maybe 45-50 seconds.
01-27-2008 Chan Stevens Est SU B4-2 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Non-vertical flight path, piston tip-off
04-19-2008 Chan Stevens Est SU A8-3 Didn't Record 10+ mph winds - Forgot to untape rotors, no deploy, ballistic landing. Repairable.
07-31-2008 Chan Stevens Est SU B6-4 Didn't Record 5-10 mph winds Event: NARAM-50
- B-HD event, DQ/Unstable
   

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