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REV 2.4 - Tue Aug 17 00:05:47 2010

FlisKits
Richter Recker
6 Jennifer Drive
Merrimack, NH 03054
(603) 494-1145
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SPECS: 7'-8.2" x 2.217" - 12 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: Right Click to Download
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: Three matching motors: C11-3, D12-5, E9-6, D15-6 RMS, E15-7

Rating
(by Jason Toft - 01/14/04)

FlisKits Richter ReckerBrief:
A EXTREMELY large 3 x 24mm model rocket. The Richter Recker measures in at 92.2 inches, or seven feet, eight inches tall! FlisKits says it is the largest model rocket you can fly without having to get a NOTAM, since when you build it stock it weighs in at 15.9 ounces! I build mine on the heavy side, but that's kind of my technique!

Construction:
LOTS of rocket in a bag is an understatement! There are FIVE 17.5 inch BT-70 (2.217 OD) tubes, 3 phenolic couplers, 1 balsa nose block, FOUR big sheets (9"x4") of 3/16 inch balsa, a nice ogive balsa nose cone, and many other miscellaneous parts that you would expect in a model rocket (launch lugs, screw eyes, shock cord, etc.)

As I started construction, I kept reading on The Rocketry Forum (TRF) about how cool it would be to fly this rocket on three Aerotech F21-8 motors. I set out with the intention of building this rocket in this way by fiberglassing the entire rocket and using epoxy throughout. I started working on this but then realized how expensive that kind of flight would be! So I decided not to after already fiberglassing the fins, and continued construction stock.

Stock construction is still quite a doozy, if you know what I mean. The Richter Recker is VERY big so you have to be careful as you construct it as your main enemy while building this rocket won't be the instructions, cutting the fins, or anything like that-- try ceiling fans! I know from experience as my nose cone has a little dent in it that looks just like a ceiling fan blade. :)

The motor mount on this rocket uses a very cool system of alignment. Since three 24mm motors fit loosely in the BT-70 tube, FlisKits has you build the motor mount inside a BT-69 body tube that is four inches long. The three 24mm motor mount fit nice and snug inside the BT-69 tube, and after you have filled in the holes, you spread a small amount of glue around the exterior of said BT-69 tube, and insert this entire assembly into the tube. MODIFICATION ALERT: You could build an assembly that would allow you to exchange motor mounts. I would think that you could use a set of screws to keep the motor mount in place while switching out between the default 3-24mm mount and a single 29mm mount.

FlisKits Richter Recker There are two subassemblies that you build on the Richter Recker.

First off is the booster section, which consists of two body tubes, one coupler, the fins, and motor mount. To make sure the tubes are aligned, you are to apply the glue to the coupler then roll the body tubes on the floor to assure alignment. Finally, you attach the fins. You should give your fins a wedge shape on the edges for increased performance. There are two wide fins and two narrow fins, providing a unique look for this rocket, as I have come to expect from FlisKits!

The upper subassembly consists of the balsa nose block, two couplers, three body tube sections, and the nosecone. This assembly is very long--about 5 feet tall! I found out a new technique as I was coupling the three tube together. I remembered that yellow glue, which is what I used to join the tubes, is water soluble, so when I joined the tubes, all the excess glue that was squeezed out was wiped away with a sponge and some water, providing a very clean joint. You also have to roll the tubes on this section on the floor to assure alignment.

FlisKits Richter Recker For recovery FlisKits provides two large sheets of clear plastic, which are folded and cut to form a parachute. The technique for doing this seemed a little time consuming and complex to me, so I decided to just use pre-made parachutes, two 22 or 24 inch nylon chutes will be plenty. The shock cords are a little short, about 18 inches, so I used a longer length there as well. I was told by FlisKits that they are short because the rocket comes down in two sections, but I still wasn't sure they would be long enough, which is why I replaced them.

PROs:

  • HIGH quality parts
  • Great instructions
  • Wow. Long rocket!

FlisKits Richter Recker CONs:

  • Short shock cords

Finishing:
I used FIXIT clay to create strengthening fillets on the fins, then covered those over with Fill 'n' Finish for looks. I decided not to fill the tube spirals because in relation to the size of the rocket, you won't notice them unless your nose is touching the tube! I painted the rocket with Krylon, and this made for a pretty finish. I used Pumpkin Orange, Gloss Purple, and Almond. I faded the Orange into the Almond and created a very cool effect! Finishing was easy on this rocket but it does take a while!

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

FlisKits Richter Recker

Flight:
I chose to fly the Richter Recker on three E9-6 motors for it's first flight. Altitude predictions from Rocksim estimate about 1600 feet, however, my RR is built a little heavy so I subtracted 100 feet--1500 feet is still a LONG way up! I prepped the rocket, friction fitting the motors, putting some dog barf in the booster section, and then folded and wrapped the chutes. I installed rail buttons on it, so I loaded the rocket on the rail, hooked up my clip whips, and walked back to the controller. I gave a five count and with a huge roar from the three E9's, the rocket climbed WAY up there! The 3 second burn from the E9's was VERY cool and the rocket had a nice flight. I then prepped the rocket again on three D12-3 motors. As I have come to expect from this rocket, it had a nice, straight flight, yet ejection was before apogee so I would recommend that 3 D12-5s are used instead.

Recovery:
Ejection was right at apogee on the E9-6s and the two 24in chutes brought the two sections down nice and slow.

Flight Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Summary:
In conclusion, this is rocket has an impressive size. The 3 x 24mm cluster is perfect and I think it would fly great on three E15's or similar motors. I recommend that you buy a Richter Recker--it is a very nice rocket that is very cool to see fly!

Overall Rating: 4 ½ out of 5


(Contributed - by Greg Deeter - 01/14/04)

Brief:
This is a huge rocket, over 7 feet tall that thumps the cloud cover with a hefty trio of D's. The Richter Recker is the top of the line rocket from the new company FlisKits at $28.95. It's huge, good quality and is very impressive looking. I ordered mine right after FlisKits opened, and my Richter Recker is hand numbered #05. I think the hand numbering (with a black sharpie) is a great touch of class.

Construction:
This big huge 7+ foot tall cluster rocket kit came to me (ordered direct from the company) in a very large bag and header (Estes) type package. Full color insert and the packaging looks better than Estes. Here is what it includes :

  • Rocket Pic NCB-70AJ Balsa Nose Cone 4.25"
  • NBB-70-4 Balsa Nose Block
  • (5) BT-70-1750 Body Tubes 17.5"
  • BT-69-04 Body Tube 4.0"
  • (3) BT-50-04 Engine Tube 4.0
  • (3) CPL-70-4 Stage Coupler 4.0"
  • (2) FSB-6-4-9 Stock Balsa Sheets 3/16"
  • SE-L Screw Eye Large
  • (2) SC-2-18 Shock Cords 18" x 1/2
  • Parachute 24" (2)
  • SLCA-144 (2) Cotton Line
  • TD-1-6 Tape Disks
  • LL-2-2 Launch Lug 3/16"
  • (3) EB-50-0025 Engine Blocks
  • (3) EH-0275 Engine Hooks
  • DCS-SP003 Peel & Stick Decal sheet
  • FPS-SP003 Fin Pattern sheet
  • INS-SP003 Assembly Instructions
  • HNT-SL3CL Hints, Clusters, SL3 instructional information

Building this kit was very fun and interesting. The instructions included are excellent and this kit allows one to put up a cool looking rocket over 7 feet tall, on a 24mm cluster of (3). It's easy to build, under $30 and looks excellent with a unique (4) fin design with two shapes.

Rocket PicFinishing:
Two things disturbed me a little when building this. One thing being the seal method of ejection pressure, and the other being the recovery system. The instructions call for filling the void areas of the (3) engine cluster area with tissue and white glue. This works and I have done it with mine. But I think it would be better if the kit would provide a small piece of thin and stiff cardboard with a template or ideally die cut pieces to fit in. I really enjoyed building the kit and must give it a 4 out of 5 here.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
I have not flown this rocket yet. I will provide flight logs. It is expected to go up on Dec 7th in Houston.

Recovery:
I modified the recovery system by putting a double Kevlar® cord around the engine mount, and I added snap swivels, over 30 feet of 1/2 elastic and two nylon chutes.

Summary:
This is a very cool looking rocket for a great price. Over 7 feet tall, Will launch on a cluster of D's and is simple to build. I did not care for the recovery that came with it. Mine had enough of some type of clear plastic to make a few chutes, but not only do I not want to use clear material (cause you can't see it well), but I just don't care to build chutes. There are enough good chutes out there and it's not a wonder that this kit does not come with nylon chutes at the low price. The builder should pick his own chutes with this one. And it is a KILLER kit!

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GUEST's OPINION:
03/04 - "Just a couple of notes about the Richter Recker recovery. One, we are aware of confusion on the recovery device installation and will be correcting that soon. Two, we are aware of the dislike of clear plastic for the chutes and will be addressing this as well. Three, the shock cords are short because long ones are not needed. This model comes down in two section and the cords take VERY little stress. However, we will be lengthening these to 36" and clearing up the instructions concerning their attachment and use. Thank you for the great reviews and helpful feedback! jim" (J.F.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
08/05 - "I didn't like the model seperating and used a long Kevlar® shock cord. I then used a single 48" parachute. I experimented with two 36" Aerocon chutes with one connected to the upper portion and one anchored to the booster section. I could only get one chute to deploy in two launches. I did have the sections connected with Kevlar® as I don't want to have to track down two sections. The one 36" chute was enough keep it from being totally destructed but sustained a crushing crimp just forward of the fin can. I sawed off the fin can through the damaged area and attached it to a new body tube. I used a long heavy duty coupler from BMS in Lemont, Illinois. I highly recommend if one wants to keep this model for a long time, to epoxy a coupler forward of the motor mount to re-enforce the area while under construction. You may be pushing the 16 oz. weight limit but it will pay off with a more robust model. Am going to build another one as I like this one so much. If and when it wears out, will be ready with number 2." (A.K.S. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
01-17-2004 Lance Alligood 3x Est SU E9-6 None - Parachute Fail 10+ mph winds - I loved the BP whoosh as it left the pad (very gracefully I might add). Unfortunately chute got tangled in each other & never released. Horizontal recovery. One fin was badly pushed into BT on impact. I think I can shorten & rebuild it!
05-07-2005 Anonymous 3x Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: NSL 2005
- Pretty eventful flight. All 3 igniters fired, but only 2 engines lit off. Still went up pretty high. At Apogee shock cord parted and booster performed a glider recovery which popped a fin. Major repairs ahead.
05-15-2004 Donald Besaw 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Beautiful first flight, arrow straight up to about 1,200+ feet. Nice chute deployment and a very long walk for recovery but both sections were eventually recovered. My first 3 motor cluster. No damage.
09-18-2004 Donald Besaw 3x Est SU D12-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Great flight, all motors lit with no problems. Nice recovery close by. No damage except for a torn booster chute.
09-17-2005 Donald Besaw 3x Est SU E9-8 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Very nice flight, all three motors lit with no problems. Reached about 1,400-1,500 feet. Both sections recovered close to pad. I think I prefer the E9-8s for this rocket, gives it time to come down a bit prior to ejection. No damage.
07-25-2004 Andrew Grippo 3x Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Went higher then anticipated. Tabs holding shroud lines to chutes were not secure enough to combat the deployment forces and both shredded. Hard landing crushed BT right above fins but repairable.
09-25-2004 Andrew Grippo 3x Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Perfect flight and deployment with new 24 nylon chutes and lower body tube 7 inches shorter then original due to maiden flight deployment problems. Recovered in perfect condition.
09-25-2004 Andrew Grippo 3x Est SU D12-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Very high flight and very stable. Recovered without damage
03-26-2005 Andrew Grippo 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: SOLAR Monthly Launch
- Fast straight flight, good delay and deployment of chutes. Good walk to recover due to wind gusts
06-23-2007 Bob Harrington 3x Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds Event: NERRF
- Nice first flight. Long recovery walk.
06-24-2007 Bob Harrington 3x Est SU C11-3 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds Event: NERRF
- Low flight. Short recovery walk
09-16-2007 Bob Harrington 3x Est SU D12-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: CMASS section launch
- Nice straight flight despite only getting 2 motors lit.
09-20-2008 Bob Harrington 3x Est SU D12-3 None - Parachute Fail 5-10 mph winds RIPEvent: CMASS Section Launch
- Only 2 motors lit. At ejection, the rocket split but the parachutes remained stuck in tube. Both of the body tube halves got major dents. May be repairable but will be much shorter. Status: Scavenged
04-16-2005 Philip Levanda 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds Event: METRA 04-16-05
- Only 2 of the 3 lit. Went up about 100 feet took a 90 degree turn and went 1000 feet horizontal. Popped the chutes at the last second and landed with no damage.
07-16-2005 Philip Levanda 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: METRA 7/16/05
- Sweet ride all three fired. I used First Fire Jr's and had immediate ignition of all three motors. Straight no weathercocking.
07-30-2005 Philip Levanda 3x Est SU D12-3 Just Before Calm Event: GSSS 07-30-05
- Lil early had a but more to coast on it. no zipper recovered nicely
08-07-2005 Philip Levanda 3x Est SU E9-6 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Event: METRA 08/07/05
- Quickly Falling apart but i love this rocket. I need to get another a reinforce it to make it stronger.
11-05-2005 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - first rail launch
01-07-2006 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU E9-6 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds -
08-05-2006 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Damage to section coupler on booster. Repairable
10-07-2006 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU E9-6 Didn't See 10+ mph winds Do Over -
12-02-2006 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Samson
Do Over - First flight of the Eye Pod
02-03-2007 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU E9-6 Didn't See 10+ mph winds Event: Feb Launch
Do Over - Carried Boostervison paylaod visoe very dark.
10-06-2007 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: October 2007 Launch
Do Over -
03-04-2006 Cliff Oliver 3x Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds RIP - Only two motors lit. Thrid motor ignited from the top. Rocket caught fire and burned/destroyed the lower section. Status: Not Repairable
10-08-2004 Steve Ramberg 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Straight flight even in the wind. Long walk due to the wind for recovery.
10-08-2004 Steve Ramberg 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Straight flight even in the wind. Long walk due to the wind for recovery.
09-11-2004 Chan Stevens 3x Est SU D12-5 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds -
09-06-2008 Chan Stevens Est SU E9-4 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Modified for single 24mm motor mount
09-06-2008 Chan Stevens AT RMS F12-5 Very Early 5-10 mph winds - Modified for single 24mm motor mount. Hillarious flight--F12 thrust was so slow it resembled a Dude, then the elay went at -1, not -5, so popped at peak thrust.
11-15-2003 Jason Toft 3x Est SU D12-3 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - The three second delay was a little short for this flight, but there was no damage to the rocket anyways. Another great flight from a great rocket!
11-15-2003 Jason Toft 3x Est SU E9-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - VERY high flight! Relatively slow off the pad, but you really just CAN'T get slow with a cluster of three E's! Great flight and recovery!
04-24-2004 Jason Toft 3x Est SU E9-4 Just Before 5-10 mph winds Event: TRF Meet 2004
- Don't use the E9-4 on this rocket. It is a bit on the short side. The rocket is still going up at a pretty decent rate of speed at ejection. No zippers or anything because of the 2-part recovery.
04-24-2004 Jason Toft 3x Est SU E9-4 Just Before 5-10 mph winds Event: TRF Meet 2004
- Don't use the E9-4 on this rocket. It is a bit on the short side. The rocket is still going up at a pretty decent rate of speed at ejection. No zippers or anything because of the 2-part recovery.
   

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