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REV 2.4 - Wed Aug 10 18:50:09 2011

Estes
Super Neon
P.O. Box 227, 1295 H Street
Penrose, CO 81240
(719) 372-6565
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SPECS: 22" x 0.976" - 4.8 oz
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SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: A8-3, B4-4, B6-4, C6-5

Rating
(Contributed - by Larry Brand [Who's Who Page] - 12/11/07) Estes Super Neon

Brief:
Super Neon is an updated 2007 re-release of an older kit. It is what I would call a "fantasy" tubefin in that it has decorative stub fins supplementing the 6 tubefins that provide the actual stability to create a futuristic appearance. The packaging highlights its "Space Age Tubular Fins". Well, so maybe they're not "stub fins", maybe they're cooling plates for the hyper-leptonic fusion tube-drive impulsor units. Its rated a Skill Level 2 kit, and for good reason (unfortunately).

Construction:
Airframe mainly consists of an 18" piece of BT-50 tubing and six 3 1/2" BT-50 motor tubes adapted as the tubefins. Six small balsa stub fins and the usual Estes nose cone assembly, motor mount with hook, and recovery system rounds out the materials package. A set of waterslide decals is included. Usual excellent quality and fit of materials.

Estes Super Neon

As a fan of tubefins, I was very happy to see Estes add one back to its product line. I purchased the kit at a local launch and decided to review it. Given the generally draggy nature of tubefin rockets and the added drag contributed by the 6 stub fins, I was very skeptical of the packaging's claimed "flights up to 1000 feet!" I don't think so--certainly not on the largest recommended motor, a C6-5, and with the combined drag of both the 6 tube fins and the 6 conventional fins. I kept reminding myself that this was a "fantasy rocket", otherwise its nuts to combine normal fins and tube fins. Comparatively speaking, a belt and suspenders doesn't hold your pants up any better, however, my biggest criticism of this kit comes from the poorly thought-through instructions, which usually is a strong point of Estes kits. The construction approach was miserable, apparently cobbed together by somebody (the subcontractor in China?) who had never before built a tubefin rocket. Rather than rely on the tried and true self-jigging method that is typically used on tubefin kits, of attaching the 6 tubefins in pairs with the body tube resting on a flat surface, Estes gives the rocketeer instructions with a weird and overly complicated geometric line-marking method to locate the individual tubefin positions on the body tube as if they were conventional fins. This is just nuts and guaranteed to produce misaligned tube fins if the slightest mistake is made! After installing the motor mount assembly per the Estes method, I threw away these awful instructions and put my Super Neon together the right way:

Estes Super Neon

  1. With body tube on a flat table top, left and right tube fins, also positioned flush with the table, were attached simultaneously. I use 5-min epoxy, using as little as possible to save weight and allowed to dry.
  2. To this assembly, two more tube fins were glued in place, on top of the body tube and in contact with the previous 2 tubes.
  3. After drying, the assembly was turned over, and the two remaining tube fins were attached to the bottom of this assembly, which are also self-jigged into place by contact with the two adjacent tubefins. No ink lines, no measuring, no door frames needed.

I attached the stub fins to the tube fins as shown in the instruction drawings, 3mm from the top of the tubes and centered. It is OK to use the T.L.A.R. method ("That Looks About Right") to position the stub fins, since Estes doesn't really say how to do this. I can see this being really frustrating to do with Elmer's glue. It is a snap with 5-min epoxy--just dip the end of the fin in freshly-mixed epoxy, let it almost set up, and then hold firmly in place perpendicular to the tube for a minute or so. Crazy Glue would be another good method.

Recovery system was attached per the instructions. Note position of the launch lug, adjacent to one of the triangular holes between the tune fins, so be careful not to slop glue between the tube fins since the launch wire has to pass through here.

Finishing:
I decided to skip the decals. I don't like decals. I planned to paint the Super Neon in the colors depicted on the package, aqua and purple, using Testor's rattle can products. However, initial test flights were made with the rocket unpainted. Reason being that I expected the performance on a C6-5 to be far short of the claimed "up To 1000 feet", and my plan was to measure this exactly with a micro altimeter in a payload bay that I planned to incorporate into the ample body tube. This was exactly the case. Initial test flight was clearly well under a thousand feet. It wasn't even close. So a payload bay was simply included by sawing the upper 6" of body tube off and gluing to its bottom a bulkhead from an unused Estes nosecone. The Estes recovery system (toy plastic parachute and Estes notorious underpants elastic shock cord) was substituted with a proper 12" Top Flight light nylon chute and a shock cord made from 3' of thin para cord. I attached this to the shortened body tube with a knot through a small hole drilled in the tube and covered with half a BIC pen cover. This allowed precision measurements of altitude with different motors and drag coefficient (Cd) calculation so maximum theoretical altitude could be extrapolated. See photos for the now-modified "Payload" Super Neon. I have rated Super Neon a generous "3" due to poor instructions and construction method and for the poor recovery system included with the kit, which after 35 years is in need of updating.

Construction Rating: 3 out of 5

Estes Super Neon Estes Super Neon

Flight:
The saving grace of Super Neon is how well it flies (although maximum performance is far less than advertised), not how high it flies. First flight on B-motors showed that a B6-2 was near-perfect. Flight on a C6-5 was nowhere near 1000' without the 20g altimeter. Nor was it near 900', 800' or 700'. Flight performance on a C6-5 after finishing and the addition of a PerfectFlight Alt15k microaltimeter was 456' with Cd determined to be a whopping 2.2 at 135 mph. Using this value of Cd in my simulation program and correcting for the added weight of the altimeter, gives only 520' calculated for flight without the altimeter weight. Using a value of Cd calculated from the Super Neon dimensions of 1.76 instead of the experimentally determined Cd of 2.2 gives a calculated maximum altitude on a C6-5 of 592'. It is very unlikely that any Super Neon with its enormous drag could fly higher than 600' on a C6-5 in my opinion. That said, Super Neon is a beautiful flyer on windy days, rising straight up with no weathercocking whatsoever. Note launch rod angle in photo. This is a major advantage of tubefins. I don't know how high it flew on that day, but it was high enough that it landed on the beach only 2 feet from the waters of Mission Bay, blown by the wind. I didn't need that "1000 feet!" of the package advertising on that day and I'm glad I didn't have it.

Recovery:
Flight recovery was perfect on both the original Estes chute and shock cord and on the nylon/para cord unit I added later. It is time that Estes updated its line with something better than that antiquated elastic system they've been using since the 1960's. So I dinged the score for that. The miserable performance was balanced by the wonderful wind resistance Super Neon displayed. Its the packaging that needs fixing. The rocket flies great!

Estes Super Neon

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
The product execution was disappointing due to poor instructions and building technique. Fantasy rocket concept notwithstanding, there is no reason to ever put conventional fins on a tubefin. It doesn't improve the looks much, and it messes up the maximum performance.

Overall Rating: 3 ½ out of 5



Rating
(Contributed - by Matthew Bond [Who's Who Page] - 03/22/10)

Brief:
Originally produced by Estes in 1991, the Super Neon was reintroduced on 2007. The Super Neon is a tube fin rocket that also sports small “stub” fins on each of the tube fins. The Super Neon flies on the standard assortment of 18mm black powder motors and uses a 12 inch parachute for recovery. The header card promises soaring flights to 1000 feet, which is beyond optimistic (bordering on ridiculous) for this design, but like most tube fin rockets, the Super Neon is a stable flier, and a solid performer that can take a lot of abuse and keep coming back for more.

Construction:
The Super Neon comes packaged in a standard “hang-tag” plastic bag with all the artwork, inserts and instructions common to Estes products. The components were all good quality. The following items are included it the kit:

  • BT-50 Body Tube 18”
  • BT-50 Fin Tubes 6x 3.5”
  • BT-20 Motor Tube 2.75”
  • Motor Hook
  • Thrust Ring
  • Long Motor Mount Centering Ring CR20/50L
  • 3/32” Laser Cut Balsa Fin Sheet
  • 2 Piece Nose Cone PNC-50YR
  • 1/8” x 2.375” Launch Lug
  • Rubber Shock Cord 24”
  • 12” Assembled Parachute
  • Instruction Sheet
  • Decal Sheet

Tube fin rockets are not new, although they are still somewhat unique at the range. Normally a tube fin rocket which uses the same sized tube for both the body and the tube fins is about the easiest thing there is to put together since the 6 tube fins fit perfectly around the main body and are self-aligning. The header card indicates this is a skill level 2 build. The unique look of the Super Neon comes from the “stub” fins which are mounted on each of the tube fins. Unfortunately, this configuration also presents some challenges with respect to aligning the stub fins, and the instructions presented for accomplishing this are very poorly executed. There are several steps given for marking both the main body as well as the tube fins, and then for mounting the tube fins along the alignment lines. This is to presumably allow for the use of alignment lines on the top of the tube fins for subsequent placement of the stub fins, but all it does is make assembly unnecessarily complicated. The remaining instructions are simple, effective and well illustrated, more in keeping with normal Estes fare.

Motor mount assembly is fairly standard. A slit is cut in the motor tube for the engine hook, and then the single long centering ring is glued in place, securing the hook. The thrust ring is glued in the forward end of the motor tube against the end of the engine hook. At this stage I also added a 36” length of Kevlar® string to the recovery system. This was accomplished by tying the cord around the motor mount tube aft of the centering ring, and the cutting a shallow groove in the ring to allow the cord to pass. I tucked the Kevlar® cord back through the motor tube to keep it out of the way and waited until the rocket was finished to fish it back out. After applying glue fillets to the motor mount centering ring, I swabbed a ring of glue inside the body tube and slid the motor mount into place with the end of the motor tube even with the end of the body tube.

At this point the instructions included in the kit direct you through a complicated set of steps for first marking the main body and the tube fins and then attaching the tube fins using these “alignment lines”. In theory this will aid in attaching the stub fins later in the assembly. At best this makes the Super Neon unnecessarily complicated to build. At worst one could end up having the tube fins not in line with the main body leading to some interesting flight characteristics. Needless to say, I did not follow the instructions for the assembly of the tube/stub fins.

The tube fins were attached to the main body using the “flat table” method. With the body tube and tube fins sitting on a flat surface, the tube fins were glued to the body tube, making sure that the ends of all the tubes were even. Once the first two tubes were dry the next two tube fins were set into the notches created by the existing tubes and glued into place. Finally the whole assembly is turned over and the final two tubes are glued into place. You can either prop up the front end of the rocket or tape down the back end to keep the whole assembly as level as possible. Using this method the tubes are self aligning, and all you really need to check is that the ends are even. I also added a thin fillet of glue between each tube fin joint, using a toothpick to try and spread the glue evenly. I ended up with a few bubbles, but nothing really ugly.

Next the “stub” fins were separated from their balsa sheet and cleaned up with sandpaper. After some consideration I decided that I really did not like the shape of these fins. All I could see when I looked at them was the shock cord and or parachute tangled up around them. I also did not want to discard them all together (which is certainly an option since the rocket will perform just fine without them) since they definitely add to the look of the finished rocket. After a little fiddling I came up with a shape that I liked using the existing stub fins, and modified them all accordingly.

The next step was to find a way to mark the tube fins to allow for placement of the stub fins. You could certainly use the TLAR (That Looks About Right) method and get a decent result. There are also a couple of ways to more accurately mark the tube fins for the correct location of the stub fins. By setting the back end of the rocket with two of the tube fins on a flat surface, the middle two tube fins will be projecting straight out on a horizontal line from the main body tube. You can then either calculate the height of the center point of the middle tube fin using some fundamental high school geometry, or you can find a convenient item with two perpendicular edges, and hold it against the flat surface and the horizontal tube fin. Where your “square” touches the tube fin is the exact point on a line between the centers of the tube fin and main body tube. Mark the tube there, and then turn the rocket and repeat for all six tube fins. The process is actually much simpler than my explanation. I use a piece of small aluminum angle stock to extend lines from the marks on the tube fins. My normal routine for attaching fins is to attach them with a double glue joint, and then add a second fillet of wood glue. The instructions do direct you to attach the stub fins 1/8” back from the leading edge of the tube fins, but since I wasn’t actually reading the instructions at this point I missed that detail.

The launch lug is attached to the main body tube just in front of the tube fins, aligned with the gap between two of the tube fins. It might even be possible to leave the launch lug off and just use the space between the tube fins as a pseudo-lug, but a standard 1/8” launch rod is kind of loose in the gap, and might be prone to twisting and/or binding. The nose cone was assembled using plastic cement by gluing the shoulder/base section into the cone section. The last thing to take care of was to fish the Kevlar® shock cord out of the body tube, tie the elastic shock cord to the Kevlar® and then to the nose cone. I did replace the stock “rubber band” shock cord with a slightly longer piece of flat elastic.

Finishing:
Finishing tube fin rockets is a pain in the rear… there just isn’t any other way to say it. My standard finishing routine starts with using Elmer’s Wood Filler to get nice smooth fillets along the fin joints. Next I used 2 coats of thinned down Elmer’s Wood Filler to fill the grain on all the fins, followed by two coats of primer, sanding between coats. Finding colors to match the paint scheme on the header card also turned out to be a challenge. Eventually I came up with something close. I attempted to pull off the “fade to white” look on the main body tube as shown on the header card, but I wasn’t able to make that work and eventually just masked it off and painted it to a hard line. The final step in finishing the Super Neon involves applying all the decals, and this is where I had the only real trouble with this build. The decals in my Super Neon kit were the absolute worst I have ever encountered, bar none. They would not easily release from the backing paper, taking well over a minute of soak to come loose, and when they finally did come loose they would stick instantly to the rocket and proceed to stretch (I did check after the first one and verify that they were indeed waterslide decals and not peel and stick). After mangling the first couple I managed to get the rest on by using a lot of water and getting them as close to the final position as possible to minimize adjustments. All of the decals are wrinkled and/or stretched to some degree, which is a shame, because they add a nice finishing touch to this rocket. In spite of my problems this is still a sharp looking rocket and it looks good on the pad.

Construction Rating: 2 ½ out of 5

Flight:
The Super Neon flies on the standard assortment of 18mm black powder motors. My finished weight without a motor was 2.2 oz and the CG was only about 1/10 of an inch aft of the Rocksim prediction, resulting in plenty of margin. My Super Neon has flown a total of seven times, on B6-4s, C6-5s, and one D10-5 motor and turns in straight stable flights every time. The tube fin design shows no tendency to weathercock, even in high winds and will boost straight in whatever direction you point the launch rod. As I alluded to in the beginning of the review, the max altitude of this bird on black powder motors is far less than advertised, but it is still a great performer. If you need some serious altitude, just stuff an 18mm composite in this baby and let it rip, it will eat it up and come back for more!

Recovery:
The Super Neon comes with an Assembled 12” parachute. 3 sheets of standard recovery wadding are sufficient to protect the chute. I have flown mine with both the standard chute and a 9 inch nylon chute with no issues. My Super Neon has also recovered without a chute from over 1000 feet (after stripping the chute on an Aerotech D-10) with only minor damage to one of the tube fins.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
PROS: Classic tube fin design with unique look created by the additional “stub” fins. Solid performer in all types of conditions, holds up well to abuse (with possible exception of “stub” fins)

CONS: Overly complex assembly instructions. Stub fin shape susceptible to landing/handling damage, and potential snag hazard for recovery system. Horrible quality decals.

Overall Rating: 3 out of 5

Other:
I like this rocket, I enjoy flying it, and I’m even building a high power version of it. The poor decals I can overlook, since after enough folks complain about them, they will most likely improve. The unnecessarily complex instructions, however, just do not allow me to give the Super Neon more than an average rating. This should be a simple build, well within the reach of a beginning rocketeer, but as is will more likely cause frustration. As I write this review, I notice that Estes has released an up-scaled version of the Super Neon, and has another tube fin rocket slated for release in the summer of 2010. Here’s hoping they can improve the building instructions and make these rockets as nice as they should be.

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GUEST's OPINION:
04/09 - "I built this kit with my son last year and have flown it several times. The rocket has given me straight flights every time and only once broke one of the fins off. When this happened it created a weak spot on the tube fin it was attached to but after reattachment it has flown flawlessly. I did change out the shock cord for a longer one but other than that it remains stock. The parachute can be a pain to stuff into the body tube along with wadding and the shock cord, but other than that it is fine." (S.M.)

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
09-22-2007 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - Great first flight, quick boost off the pad to maybe 400 feet. Landed very close by. No damage.
09-22-2007 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - Great first flight, quick boost off the pad to maybe 400 feet. Landed very close by. No damage.
11-06-2007 Donald Besaw Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Excellent flight, straight boost to maybe 1,000 feet. Short drift on recovery. No damage.
11-06-2007 Donald Besaw Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Excellent flight, straight boost to maybe 1,000 feet. Short drift on recovery. No damage.
05-31-2009 John Bishop Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect Calm Flight Picture - Fun little rocket, draggy with the tube fins so don't bother on anything other than a B or a C. Kicks nice with the C.
05-31-2009 John Bishop Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect Calm Flight Picture - Another good flight! Evening launches are great for the spectacle. Check out that rooster tail!
07-08-2009 Matthew Bond Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - First Flight! Nice smooth straight boost, decent altitude, just a little long on the delay. Arcing into the wind at ejection. Good chute, little bit of drift, grass landing, no damage.
07-08-2009 Matthew Bond Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Nice smooth boost, decent altitude, arcing into the wind at ejection. Good chute, fair amount of drift, grass landing, no damage.
07-08-2009 Matthew Bond Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Cranked to rod over a bit for a high fast arcing flight. Nice trajectory over the top, heading down at ejection. Fairly hard deployment, good chute, wind broght it back close, grass landing, no damage. I like the way this bird flies!
07-11-2009 Matthew Bond AT SU D10-5 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds Flight Picture - Great boost, fast, straight and high. Arcing into the wind, nose up at ejection. Shock cord broke just below the nose cone. Rocket recovered with minor damage to 1 tube fin, nose cone & chute lost.
08-01-2009 Matthew Bond Est SU C6-5 Late (2-3sec) 5-10 mph winds Flight Picture - Angled the rod into the wind. High fast arcing boost, heading downhill at ejection. Hard deployment, good chute, wind brought it back close. Grass landing no damage.
10-17-2009 Matthew Bond Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds - Nice boost, smooth and straight. Arcing over at the top of the climb, just past apogee at ejection. Good chute, medium walk, grass landing, no damage.
11-28-2009 Matthew Bond Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Nice boost, smooth and straight. Stalled out, just pointd down at ejection. Good chute, minor drift, grass landing, no damage.
05-08-2010 Matthew Bond Est SU C6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds Flight Picture - High fast arcing flight into the wind. Just past apogee and headed down at ejection. Good chute, long walk, grass landing, no damage.
09-26-2010 Matthew Bond Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Flight Picture - Nice boost, smooth and straight. Arcing over, just past apogee at ejection. Good chute, short walk, lakebed landing,no damage.
11-02-2008 Les Bradshaw Est SU A8-3 Very Late 10+ mph winds - Landed right back at launch pad
11-02-2008 Les Bradshaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds - Strong ejection charge - rocket jumped. Blew motor mount out
07-06-2003 Rocky Firth Qst SU A6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - This rocket hasn't flown since 1993. The 4 second delay is just a bit too long. An A8-3 would be a better motor choice for a small field.
08-03-2003 Rocky Firth Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds - Super rocket. This has to be one of the most stable fliers in my collection
08-10-2003 Rocky Firth Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Still a great flyer.
09-28-2003 Rocky Firth Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - This is still one of my favorites. Great flights.
02-08-2004 Rocky Firth Est SU B4-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds -
03-28-2004 Rocky Firth Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds -
01-01-2011 Mark Hairfield Qst SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: CHS
- About 600 ft on a Quest (weco) engine. Chute didn't inflate. Broke one of the finlets. Tacked back on with CA.
03-07-2010 Stephen Morrow Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm Flight Picture - Great flight. Perfect recovery.
04-18-2010 Stephen Morrow Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: KRASH Site
- Wonderful flight, however parachute did not unfurl. Rocket landed with no damage.
01-27-2008 Chan Stevens Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds -

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