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REV 2.4 - Wed Aug 10 18:50:01 2011

Estes
Shuttle Xpress
P.O. Box 227, 1295 H Street
Penrose, CO 81240
(719) 372-6565
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SPECS: 17.75" x 1.33" - 2.9 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: MISSING - please submit here
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: B4-2, B4-4, B6-2, B6-4, C6-3, C6-5

Rating
(Contributed - by Douglas Gardei [Who's Who Page])

Brief:
2 Parasite Gliders lofted by an easy to build rocket.

Parts

FinishedConstruction:
The rocket parts include two body tubes, plastic fincan halves, fins, launch lug and nosecone. The recovery system consists of a pre-made plastic parachute, and an elastic shock cord. The gliders are made from foam parts, each with a plastic launch hook and a set of decals. The foam wings have two adhesive strips on them that are use in the assembly of the gliders.

Assembly is quick and easy. The two motor mount halves are glued together. Then following the header card picture, the fins and launch lug are glued onto the fincan, and the lower body tube is glued into place. After the glue sets, the tube coupler is glued onto the top of the lower body tube. It is important to align the launch lug on the tube coupler with the lug on the fincan. Then the upper body tube is glued on the top of the tube coupler. The shock cord is attached to the rocket using the standard glue-and-fold paper method. The parachute is pre-made, but put a dab of glue on each not to prevent them from becoming undone.

The Gliders are made of foam. The launch hooks of the gliders are glued into to the foam bodies with white glue. Then the fuselage decals are applied, care has to be given, since the decals can only be applied once. Using a knife, the slots for the vertical stabilizer are cut into the decal. The stabilizer is then glued onto the body. The decals for the wings are applied, and then folded to give the wing the right angle. Do not fold them to much (the instructions recommendation is to much) because the wings will crack. Once the desired angle is achieved, the backing on the adhesive is removed. Attaching the wings is easy.

Finishing:
Since the rocket already has its decals in place for you and the gliders decals are applied during assemble, there is really no finishing stage of this rocket. The only problem I see is the gliders loosely hang from the side of the rocket. This may cause premature deployment of the gliders. They should have some support on the boosters fins so the gliders wings have something to rest upon.

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

LaunchFlight:
Because of the snow, I did not have the opportunity to properly trim the gliders. I knew that they we too nose heavy, and no amount of adjusting the elevators was going to fix that. The glider needed some clay to add to the tail. On the first of March, I got the opportunity to fly the rocket. I went over to Phillip Exeter Academy in Exeter, NH to witness their Team America Challenge flights. Besides their two challenge flights, we also flew some regular rockets. I loaded my Shuttle with a B6-4. There was the problems of the gliders blowing around on the booster while the rocket sat on the launch pad. Once I adjusted the rocket so the gliders would not sway, the countdown commenced and the rocket shot off with a B6-4. Very nice flight, but as predicted, the gliders nose dived into the snow. When warmer weather comes, I plan to properly trim the gliders using clay, and I may add something to the fins to prevent the gliders from swaying on the booster.

Flight Rating: 2 ½ out of 5

Overall Rating: 3 ½ out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Chan Stevens [Who's Who Page] - 04/01/03)

Rocket PicBrief:
The modern, E2X reincarnation of the ARV Condor, this kit is a quick, easy build and eye-catching design. At apogee, (2) separate gliders break free to circle the field while the main rocket eases down under chute.

Construction:
The 2003 Estes line seems to be carefully packed, with each body tube enclosed in plastic. The nose cone is an unusual appearance, with a raised canopy and a duct area underneath. The fins are plastic, rugged enough to handle C's. The motor retention compartment is a 2-piece plastic housing with a quick release cap. Shuttles are made from pre-cut styrofoam (1-piece) wings, fuselage, and hook. Shock cord is standard Estes 1/8", and way too short.

The package boasts of total build time in under an hour, and most modelers will find that to be true. The parts fit very well, and the directions were easy to follow.

Pros-fit and finish. The body tubes come fully detailed (decals already on). The only "assembly" work is the motor retention compartment, gluing on the plastic fins, and mounting the shock cord. A very nice plus is that the Estes chutes seem to be all pre-assembled this year.

Cons-Gluing the styrofoam glider parts together is a bit messy, especially the rudder, which is glued in after placing a decal over the top of the fuselage. The decal was also a bit tricky, as you're supposed to cut a slot in it after putting it on the fuselage, and the slot you cut is supposed to line up with the now-covered slot on the fuselage. Trimming the gliders is weak, as the ailerons are pre-cut into the styrofoam, and don't tend to stay flexed for very long.

I'd also gladly pay an extra dime or so if Estes would get rid of the 1/8" elastic shock cords that might last 3-4 flights, and replace them with 1/4" or even Kevlar®.

Finishing:
This is a very nice looking rocket/shuttle combo. Very little finishing work is required at all.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
First flight was under perfect conditions (72 degrees, winds under 5 mph, we only get about 3 of these days a year in Ohio). I flew it on a B4-4. Straight up flight, slight spin, deployed right at apogee. Gliders seemed to stick for a second or two, then broke loose. #1 came down very fast & steep, #2 seemed better trimmed and circled a bit on the way down, but still had a somewhat steep decent. Everything was recovered safely within about 50 yards of the pad.

Recovery:
As mentioned, trimming the gliders is difficult, as the styrofoam tends to have a "memory". I definitely refer the ARV condor's gliders to these foam gliders.

Flight Rating: 3 out of 5

Summary:
This is a great introduction to boost gliders. Fast, easy, and neat appearance. For the experienced modeler, the gliders will be a bit disappointing.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
06/04 - "The reviews are great, except when discussing glider trimming. The gliders are, indeed, quite nose-heavy and require a substantial amount of tail-weight for a stable glide. Aileron adjustment is all that is mentioned in the kit's instructions, but that isn't anywhere near sufficient." (D.L.S.M.)

GUEST's OPINION:
06/04 - "I flolded the flaps up vertical, and held them in place with pins. Then glued them up using Weldbond brand white glue. I flew it on 6-5-04 with a C6-5, and the gliders did wonderful. They circled the launch site like a couple of hawks hunting their prey. The only other mod I plan to do now, is paint the bottom of the gliders black so they will be easier to see." (D.L.)

GUEST's OPINION:
07/03 - "I think it looks like the Code Red/Ionizer/Tidal Wave with a spiffed up NC and 2 gliders." (J.R.)

GUEST's OPINION:
03/03 - "I flew this weekend in perfect conditions (70 degrees, hardly a trace of wind) and agree that the gliders are nose heavy, beyond simple aileron adjustment. I bent the ailerons as far as they'd go, but the "memory" of the Styrofoam worked 'em back, and both gliders went through steep descents/dives." (C.S.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
05/08 - "Others have mentioned it, and I will mention it again: the gliders need tail weight or they will nose dive. We used Elmers quick tack for this. Don't over do it though. It will look like it worked, but they will stall and fall after about a 10 foot glide. Also, remember that when they come off the rocket, they have serious SPEED behind them. So test them with a pretty hard throw, not a gentle toss. Also, we used small patches of electrical tape to improve airflow over the forward-most part of the wing section wher it contacts the bottom of the foam fuselage. Without this, I suspect the wings would have ripped off on the ascent while still attached to the booster." (JG )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
06/04 - "The strips of tape on the glider wings did not hold the wings to the glider bodies at all well with my kit. I fixed the problem by using rubber cement, which is very sticky and does not corrode styrofoam. Contact cement would have worked just as well." (D.L.S.M. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
11/03 - "DO NOT USE PLASTIC CEMENT! When I tried to glue the wings on a glider, the cement acted like acid. And within an hour, a huge gash was seen in the plane's body. You must use school glue to re-enforce the wings." (J.R. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
09/03 - "Here's how to trim the gliders for a successful flight. Basically, you need to have the flaps fully up and add tail weight, otherwise the gliders will drop like a rock. However, the flaps will not stay up far enough by themselves. I took two short thin nails (i.e., brads), and stuck them at an angle through the sides of the glider fuselage so that the head of the nail held the flap upright and the point of the nail went just slightly into the bottom of the fuselage. Viewed from the rear of the glider the two nails cross to form an "X" inside the fuselage. By holding the flaps vertical like this, the gliders are excellent and have had many long, crowd-pleasing glides. Don't forget to replace the shock cord with something longer as well. C6-3 is my favorite engine for this." (J.C.S. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
11-10-2007 William Beggs Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: Rio Rancho, NM
- Great flight and reovery.
11-10-2007 William Beggs Est SU C6-3 Just Before Calm Event: Rio Rancho, NM
- Great flight and reovery.
11-10-2007 William Beggs Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: Rio Rancho, NM
- Great flight and reovery.
01-26-2008 Tom Benson Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down Calm - Flaps at about 25* and some tail weight added, but the gliders still dropped faster than I'd like. Will add a bit more tail weight to them next time.
07-08-2006 Moe Bertrand Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: Unofficial club launch
- Good boost - gliders suck as gliders.
01-26-2002 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Nice first flight. Both shuttles augered to the ground almost straight down. Need to do some major retrimming. No damage.
01-26-2003 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Nice first flight, both shuttles augered to the ground almost straight down. I need to do some major retrimming before another launch is attempted. No damage.
02-05-2003 Donald Besaw Est SU B4-2 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Nice flight. Delay was longer than 2 seconds. Nice glide from one shuttle, the other augered into the ground nose first. No damage.
03-16-2003 Donald Besaw Est SU B4-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Very nice flight. Finially got two decent glides from both shuttles. No damage.
07-21-2003 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - Very nice flight. Both shuttles actually glied down perfectly and both also landed in a water filled ditch, one was found floating on top of the water. No damage.
08-10-2003 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) Calm - Very nice flight although the booster landed in some standing water and was half submerged when I got to it. Since I acted fast, it should be able to fly again once it completely dries out.
08-31-2003 Donald Besaw Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Nice flight after drying out completely from the last flight. Rocket and one shuttle was recovered close to pad while the other shuttle for some reason was recovered in the parking lot several hundred feet away. No damage.
03-07-2009 John Bishop Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - 1st flight. Painted bottom of glider wings black, but still lost one. Too busy watching booster headed for treeline. Other glider did not detach.
03-08-2009 John Bishop Est SU B4-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Launched with one glider- arrow straight boost. Glider came down hard and fast, falling not flying. Bent a fin on hard landing. (pavement + streamer)
02-14-2010 John Bishop Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - One glider disengaged during boost, the other came down and glided beautifully.
02-14-2010 John Bishop Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up Calm - Second flight where 1st glider disengaged on the boost. 2nd glider spiraled beautifully. Must investigate.
02-14-2010 John Bishop Est SU C6-5 Didn't See Calm - Flight without gliders, excellent flight.
05-18-2006 David Culp Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Good straight up flight, gliders came straight down, lost one though. Good rocket, gliders stink.
07-06-2003 Bill Eichelberger Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Kid's launch. Added a rock to the clay in the glider's back end. Still no help. They need work, BIG-TIME!
07-06-2003 Bill Eichelberger Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Kid's launch. Nice flight for a small field, but the gliders dove more than they glided.
07-06-2003 Bill Eichelberger Est SU B6-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Kid's launch. Gliders flew somewhat better after clay had been added, but still need work.
11-02-2003 Bill Eichelberger Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Glider trim attempt #3.
05-04-2006 Matt Gillard Est SU B4-2 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds - clean separation, gliders red baroned in, far to nose heavy.
08-26-2008 Matt Gillard Est SU B6-2 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - gliders stil came in steep, 10 seconds fall
03-21-2009 Matt Gillard Est SU B4-2 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - gliders nosed in hard
04-24-2004 Kyle Hancock Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Up 10+ mph winds Event: TRF 2004:Whitakers
- No gliders. Shock cord seperation, no damage and all parts recovered.
08-20-2006 Kyle Hancock Est SU C6-3 Apogee - NC Up Calm -
05-25-2008 JST Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: SCRA Lucerne Dry Lake
- Nice, but slow first flight. Only seemed to go up about 450 feet. Gliders did not detach until apogee, and one of them stuck on until rocket began to fall back. If you have space, use more powerful engine.
05-25-2008 JST Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: SCRA Lucerne Dry Lake
- Nice flight up to around 700 feet. Gliders detached themselves with SPEED right around the time tracking smoke started up. Both flew great, and FAST. Booster recovery was also perfect. You need a team to track everything that comes down with this kit!
08-25-2007 John Lee Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Rocket worked great and looks good; gliders did not work at all and tumbled all the way home.
12-16-2007 John Lee Est SU B6-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Event: China Grove
- Perfect flight-garbage gliders. I'm keeping the rocket but the glider 1 did not survive descent and glider 2 did not survive my rage.
01-12-2008 John Lee Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: Monthly Launch
- great flight without the parasites.
01-17-2009 John Lee Est SU A8-3 Late (2-3sec) 5-10 mph winds Flight PictureEvent: RUMC
- good low flight without the gliders
06-05-2004 David Logan Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Great flight and glides. Flaps were glued in a vertical position and worked great.
06-26-2004 David Logan Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Seemed to go a lot higher than previous flight. The rocket landed before the gliders about 200 yards down wind, but all three pieces were within 50 feet of each other.
10-01-2005 David Logan Qst SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds - Good low flight, one glider gracefully circled back down, landing within 5 feet of launch pad, the other glider made a run for it, and flew straight into the field about 300 yards.
07-31-2004 Brian Mercer Est SU B4-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Those gliders are DOGS, no offense to the pooches. They flew like rocks. The booster flew great.
07-31-2004 Brian Mercer Est SU C6-5 Apogee - NC Down Calm - Flew without gliders. The parachute melted a bit. my chute packing was done by my 2 yr old. Well, it is his rocket... Great launch, though.
11-13-2004 T Muir Est SU B6-4 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Weather cocked into wind. Gliders made steep dive. Need to work on flaps to get increased flight time.
00-00-2003 Jon Revelle Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Didn't Record - Good Flight, Good Recovery. Gliders however didn't work well and they nose-dived. (00-00-03 means that I didn't remember the flight date)
12-25-2003 Jon Revelle Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Good flight. Gliders nose-dived. Rocket landed 2 feet from the pad.
12-30-2003 Jon Revelle Est SU B6-4 Very Late Gusty - Chute almost didn't open. Need new glider mount.
03-02-2008 Natalie Ryan Est SU B6-4 Very Late 10+ mph winds - Flew w/o shuttles on a windy day. Delay clocked in at over 6 seconds - way too late. Chute popped a couple of seconds before it would have lawn darted. No zipper damage at all, tho. Hair-raising for my son, but nice flight nonetheless
04-06-2008 Natalie Ryan Est SU B6-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: Club Launch
- Nice flight, much better delay this time.
09-27-2003 Jim Salem Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Great flight and great glides from both gliders --- be sure to follow my tip above to turn the gliders into something other than foam rocks. I always forget until the Xpress is in the air that you need three people to track the three parts!
03-16-2003 Chan Stevens Est SU B6-4 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - Cheap foam gliders did OK, not great
07-17-2004 Dwayne Surdu-Miller Est SU A8-3 Very Late 5-10 mph winds Event: SAROS-040717
- Low boost, ejection about 10 feet from ground. Severely underpowered. Don't use A8-3!

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