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REV 2.4 - Wed Aug 10 18:48:59 2011

Edmonds
CiCi Stage 2
13326 Preuit Place
Herndon, VA 20170-4341
 
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SPECS: 20" x .7" - 1.625 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: MISSING - please submit here
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REC'D MOTORS: B6-0, C6-0 (booster), 1/2A6-2, A8-3, B4-4, C6-5 (sustainer)

Rating
(Contributed - by Jeff Lane [Who's Who Page] - 07/02/05) Edmonds CiCi

Brief:
This is a two-stage balsa glider rocket with gap staging. Both stages are gliders.

Construction:
The kit consists of 3/16 inch balsa, 1/8 inch balsa, balsa nose cone, and 2 body tubes.

I've wanted to build an Edmonds glider since I discovered their web site a couple of years ago. With the CiCi on the EMRR hit list, it was irresistible. Gliders are fun, but two gliders are more fun. Two gliders that are simple to build and fly as booster and sustainer are simply engineering marvels. This is the kind of concept that makes rocketry rewarding.

Instructions are simple, reasonably well written, and contain plenty of illustration. Assembly is straightforward. An hour of gluing (with carpenter's glue), let it dry overnight, and it's ready to fly. Both gliders checked out perfect for trim with no adjustments. I didn't even round the edges of the balsa or sand the surface. The laser cut balsa falls away from the waste easily. The body tubes are pre-marked with laser dots for alignment so you don't even have to do the door jamb thing. The vent holes are pre-cut. The dovetail joints give high strength and idiot proof tab to slot assembly. The nose cone shoulder was a little tight but main nose cone diameter was perfect. The balsa was all very good quality, flat, and didn't need to be sanded. None of the parts were broken or squashed in the well packaged box. The portion of the fuselage that is glued to the booster body tube warped as it got wet with glue. I wanted to pull away from the body tube so I rubber banded both ends in place until dry.

Edmonds CiCi Gotchas:

  • There are proofing and consistency errors in the instructions.
  • There are also some omissions, such as the type of tape (masking) to use for the sustainer bulkhead, the width the tape should be, and how to test and fix glider trim.
  • There is no mention of the fact that the sustainer engine ejects.
  • With gap staging, it's critical to scrape the oxidation from the propellant adjacent to the nozzle in order to get sustainer ignition, and there's no mention of this.
  • The nose cone shoulder partially obscures the sustainer vent holes and there's no mention in the instructions whether this is as designed or if the shoulder should be shortened.
  • The biggest gotcha in construction is the fit of the booster body tube/fuselage assembly on the main booster fuselage. There's some play in the joint which results in a range of 14-22 mm of space at the aft end. I assumed it was supposed to be the same distance the entire length of the fuselage and set it at 18mm.

Edmonds CiCi

Finishing:
This sample was finished with two-tone marker to minimize weight. There are no decals.

Construction Rating: 4 out of 5

Flight:
Prep is easy in that there is no wadding or parachute and the engines don't even have to be friction fitted. However, attention to detail is required for taping the bulkhead and making sure everything fits. The booster engine is taped externally to the body tube with no engine block so it stays in the booster during glide. The sustainer engine is held in place only with thrust after the booster falls away and tape wrapped around the outside functions as a bulkhead for the booster. It's all held together by gravity on the pad. The sustainer engine ejects at apogee.

Gotchas:

  • I prepped for the first launch with 1/2 inch tape which is a standard size for external bulkheads on smaller engines. According to the description in the instructions on gap staging though, the half inch tape won't work because the vent holes are covered up internally by the engine and would block the escape of gases causing staging separation before ignition of the sustainer. So I removed the 1/2 inch tape and replaced it with 1 inch wide tape, which worked perfectly.
  • The instructions don't specify how far the booster engine is supposed to protrude, so you have to "guesstimate" using the photos. I left it protruding 1/2 inch or so, which was fine.

Recovery:
First launch was with a B6-0 booster and A8-3 sustainer. Liftoff quickness was average for a B6-0 with high stability, no spin, and perfect straight-up trajectory. Sustainer ignition was slightly delayed compared to taped engine staging, but not noticeable unless you're looking for it... It took perhaps half a second. The sustainer had a slow, heart stopping arc into a nearly straight down trajectory before ejection at 200-300 feet, then settled into a satisfyingly long glide in a wide circle. The booster glided down nicely a few feet from the pad. No damage at all.

The slow arc of the sustainer leads to my recommendation to never use a C6-5 (not a recommended engine anyway), and it's a good idea to try the 1/2A6-2 for the first flight, which is one of the recommended engines for good reason. I think maybe they should have named this one the CiBee.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
This is a great rocket and an irresistible concept. If you've built a glider before, enjoyed flying it, and want another, this is a "must have" for your fleet. While there are some omissions in the instructions, it is very easy to build and delivers spectacular flights.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
02/07 - "This is probably the easiest build I have ever had. Pay attention when you attach the main body tube to the booster section (as mentioned in the review) and everything will be finished in well under an hour. This is not the prettiest bird, or the longest endurance glider ever - but a great concept and a highly recommended kit that will attract plenty of attention." (D.B.)

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
042207-0-20 Dave Bishop Est SU B6-0/Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds RIPEvent: Redwick-UK
- Straight boost & good clean separation. Booster glider descended in circles right into the pad - totally destroyed! Sustainer circled gently until out of sight beyond a tree then did not reappear - lost. Great concept- will buy another. Status: Not Repairable
08-23-2006 Hank Helmen Est SU B6-0 Didn't See
(200+? ft)
Calm Event: Front Yard evening
- Great 1st stage burn 2nd stage went way up there! Did not see ejection at all. First stage came down like a leaf Upper stage glide over into cow field. Did not spot it till it was well on the way down Lower rocket tube mount broke on landing. repairable
07-02-2005 Jeff Lane Est SU B6-0/Est SU A8-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Sustainer arced over and down before ejection at 200-300 feet, then glided in a wide circle. The booster glided down a few feet from the pad.
07-09-2005 Jeff Lane Est SU B6-0/Est SU 1/2A6-2 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Boost was great. 1/2A engine was less heart-stopping, but the burn time is too short. The sustainer is just separated and then the engine ejects... it's hard to think of it as an upper stage because there's not enough boost.
07-09-2005 Jeff Lane Est SU B6-0/Est SU 1/2A6-2 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Boost is great. Sustainer burn is so short it doesn't feel like an upper stage, more like a separation burst.
07-23-2005 Jeff Lane Est SU C6-0/Est SU A8-5 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Great on C booster, sustainer thrusted straight; shimmed it with 4 quarter-inch pieces of masking tape fore and aft on opposite sides of the engine so that the motor tilts down a little inside the motor mount. Minor booster damage on landing.
12-10-2005 Jeff Lane Est SU B6-0/Est SU B6-4 Very Late 0-5 mph winds Event: COSROCS
- Boost was excellent, but sustainer arced over under power and ejected 20 off the ground. I thought I had the arcing licked with the shims, but apparently not. Snowdrift landing, no damage.
04-22-2006 Jeff Lane Est SU B6-0/Est SU A10-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds Event: COSROCS
- I love this rocket. What a show! Perfect engine combination, the A10-3 was mounted inside a spent 18mm casing. Booster flight was straight up, sustainer arced but not dangerously, lovely glide into gentle breeze just stopped and stayed there!
04-14-2007 Jeff Lane Est SU B6-0/Est SU B6-2 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - Bizarre flight. It didn't separate at staging, but continued straight up on second stage burn and separated at sustainer ejection, both sections glided. One of the canards on the booster was burned badly. We couldn't figure out how it happened.
03-28-2009 Jeff Lane Est SU B6-0/Est SU A8-3 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - Video at http://www.cosrocs.org/all%20other%20videos/2009videos/3-24/cici.movBooster always flies well, but sustainer always arches over. Still a good flight, and both stages still fly well even at 8 flights.
06-19-2010 Jeff Lane Est SU C6-0/Est SU A8-3 None - Unknown Calm RIPFlight Picture - Odd. Glued-together gliders took off at an extreme angle rather than straight up like normal, then at staging, the sustainer shot off horizontally. Both sections destroyed. Status: Lawn Dart

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