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REV 2.4 - Wed Sep 22 00:12:47 2010

Edmonds
CiCi
13326 Preuit Place
Herndon, VA 20170-4341
 
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SPECS: 15" x 11" - 0.75 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: MISSING - please submit here
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: A8-3, B4-2, B6-2, C6-3

(Contributed - by Dave Sutter)

[Rocket Pic]The CiCi is a traditional canard-style boost glider. The canard is the name for that smaller front wing, or horizontal stabilizer. A canard-style glider is simply a glider where the canard is forward of the main wing. A boost glider is a glider that boosts straight up like a rocket, and then ejects some part, usually the engine, to change into a glider. This is as opposed to a rocket glider, where no parts are jettisoned, but rather other changes are made (moving the wing surfaces, changing the angle of elevons, etc. ) to make the transition from vertical boost mode to horizontal glide mode.

Upon opening up the zip-lock-bag-style package of the CiCi, I was first surprised by the fact that the instructions consisted entirely of a single 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper, printed on one side only! This was particularly surprising for this rocket, considering that the Deltie, also from Edmond's Aerospace, had a 10+ page booklet for instructions. Although sparse, the instructions here are obvious and straightforward. Unlike most rockets, the order of assembly for the CiCi is largely irrelevant. The instructions are fairly complete, except that they never mention trimming the glider, or the supplied lump of clay and what to do with it. Basically, the instructions seem to assume that you have trimmed a boost glider before. The second thing that I noticed about the kit contents was that a piece was missing. The instructions say that there is a small, triangular piece of wood, curved on one side, that can be used to mark a straight line on the engine tube, but there wasn't one in my kit. No big deal, there are of plenty of ways to mark a straight line on a tube. The third thing that I noticed was that another piece was missing: the launch lug. Again, not a show-stopper, since I have some extras lying around, but a rather inauspicious beginning.

[Rocket Pic]The kit itself is quite nice, with thick, sturdy balsa parts that have been precision cut. All parts fit well, and there was absolutely no confusion about how to assemble the rocket. Construction was simple, quick and easy, with no fuss. Full assembly took me about 1 hour, but could be done much faster. Make no mistake, the quality of the parts is first-rate, and the kit was well thought out. The only time I deviated from the instructions was with the clay. I added a small amount (about the size of pencil eraser) to inside of the corner formed by the main (rear) wing and the left vertical stabilizer. The purpose here was to make the CiCi tilt left a little bit in flight so that it would glide in circles, rather than in a straight line. You want it to glide in circles so that it stays on the flying field. (Note that these pictures were taken before I added the clay. )

The instructions don't mention it, but I attempted some hand-tossed glide tests prior to flight. Hmmm. . . it glides ok, but flies and lands in a rather nose-down attitude. Nose-down enough that the balsa nose cone hits before the front edge of the canard. Perhaps a small amount of weight in the rear might help. I added a small amount of the supplied clay (again about the size of a pencil eraser) to the inside of the corner formed by the fuselage and the main wing. More hand-toss glide tests. Hmmm. . . a slightly better glide attitude and landing, but still noticeably nose-down, and there was no discernible arc to the left (so that it will glide in circles). I added just a tiny bit more clay to the inside of the corner formed by the main wing and the left vertical stabilizer. After a couple more throws, I still couldn't discern any arc to the left, but I didn't want to add too much weight for fear of adversely affecting the flight characteristics. Time for some real flight tests. [Rocket Pic]

It was a pretty nice day for launching rockets. Moderately windy, but not too bad. I was anxious to try out the CiCi, so it was first in line. I figured the light weight of the rocket, combined with the moderate wind and the fact that this was the maiden flight, dictated using an A8-3.

It was a good, quick boost, as you can tell from the blur it gives in this photo, even with 400 speed film. In spite what this photo of the early flight path might indicate, it was, overall, a fairly straight boost to, oh, maybe 150 feet or so (I didn't measure it). Even though it arced over on its back after burnout, it make a smooth, controlled transition to right-side-up glide. The glide was ok, but still with a bit of nose-down attitude, and it definitely falls faster than a Deltie. It made about 1 3/4 circles before landing. . . with a crack. Uh-oh.

[Rocket Pic]As you can see from this photo, it snapped clean in half on landing. Note that although it's photographed here on cement (for clarity), it did land in the grass when it broke. Disappointing, but not the end of the world. A bit of thin CA, and she'll be good as new.

Also visible in this photo is the slight blackening in the forward half of the center of the main wing. This is just soot from the black powder, not scorching of the wood. A bit dirty, but not a safety concern.

Unfortunately, the second flight, under nearly calm wind conditions, was an exact duplicate of the first. The A8-3 gave a good, straight boost, with a nice transition to glide, a decent but slightly too rapid, nose-down descent, and a landing with a crack. Broke clean in half again, this time about 3mm further rearward (CA is strong stuff).

Warning! Do not try the following with your model!Being a bit of a tinkerer, I thought I'd make a more serious attempt to fix that nose-down attitude. So, prior to the third flight, I sanded an airfoil into the top of the canard. I left the bottom of the canard completely flat. I left the bottom of the canard completely flat. The idea was to have this canard generate more lift, and thereby lift the nose in flight, giving a flatter glide. Hand-tossed glides didn't show any visible difference, but I was confident that it would be noticeable at speed. DO NOT TRY THIS WITH YOUR MODEL! The airfoil was much too severe, and caused the model to arc over under power and plow into the ground at full speed! Ironically, the damage was only slightly worse on this flight, with a small piece breaking off of the canard as well as the model snapping in two at the usual spot. If your model also breaks on landing, and you want to try to airfoil the canard to help that situation, start with a very slight airfoil, and perform actual launches before sanding any further.

Overall, I give the CiCi a 3 out of 5 points. The kit itself gets a 4 out of 5 points, having high quality parts, but missing a couple minor pieces. The instructions should include trimming instructions, but were otherwise adequate, despite their brevity. The construction gets a rating of 4. 5 out of 5 points being simple and straightforward. The flights (before the airfoiling, at least), were both excellent, rating a 4 out of 5 points. Of course, the big downer was the recovery, particularly the landing damage, which is easily fixed, though not easily avoided. The recovery gets a 1. 5 out of 5 points.

I'll probably repair the CiCi again when I get a chance. If you're looking to buy your first boost glider, I'd have to recommend the Edmond's Aerospace Deltie. But, the CiCi certainly has the potential to be a great boost glider, perhaps as your third or fourth boost glider model.


Rating
(by John Thro - 04/11/05) Edmonds CiCi

Brief:
The Edmonds CiCi is a small, very easy to build boost glider that ejects the spent motor casing when the ejection charge goes off. The parts are laser cut and fit together perfectly.

Construction:
Here's the parts list:

  • 8 laser-cut balsa pieces
  • 1 balsa nose cone
  • 1 motor tube
  • 1 l/8" launch lug

That's it!

The instructions were illustrated and very easy to follow. The instructions consist of a single one-sided 8.5" x 11" sheet.

All of the glider parts are laser-cut balsa and they fit together perfectly. The parts are entirely cut out, with no trimming or separating from a balsa sheet needed. It would be possible to end up with some parts misaligned but taking care to make sure the pieces don't "droop" out of alignment until the glue is dry is simple enough. In fact, I pretty much just held them in place by hand for a few minutes and that was good enough to keep everything aligned until the glue was dry.

One possible "gotcha": When the nose cone is installed, it looks like it's partially blocking the vent hole in the side of the motor tube. To supposedly "fix" this, I carved quite a bit of balsa from around the nose cone shoulder in order to open up the vent hole. After I did this and glued the nose cone on, I contacted Rob Edmonds by email, who told me that the vent hole is supposed to be about halfway obstructed by the nose cone shoulder. Oh well. As it turns out, this doesn't seem to make any appreciable difference either way. My sons and I have built three CiCi's, have flown two of them, and the motor ejected just fine from both of them.

The motor tube is glued to the top of the front of the fuselage. It is possible to misalign so it's not pointing precisely straight ahead. The launch lug is glued onto the side of the fuselage and against the motor tube, so the lug is automatically aligned by those two parts.

I've managed to build CiCi's with the vent hole on the same side as the launch lug as well as on the opposite side but that doesn't seem to make any difference in flight. I'd probably recommend having the vent hole on the opposite side from the launch lug, but I don't recall what the instructions say to do.

I used Aleene's Original Tacky Glue (in the gold bottle) for all construction. It's similar to Elmer's white glue but is thicker and supposedly doesn't shrink when it dries.

Edmonds CiCi

Finishing:
I absolutely love the finishing of the CiCi. There is none! Flying them bare and without being airfoiled is recommended. That's right up my alley.

You can "finish" the CiCi by coloring it with a marker or highlighter if you like and for the sake of improved visibility.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
My first CiCi flight was on an Estes A8-3. My main problem was not knowing how loosely the motor should fit in the motor tube in order to eject properly. I probably spent ten minutes, using very slightly larger and larger strips of masking tape on the motor, to get it just tight enough that it wouldn't fall out on the launch pad with the igniter clips hooked up.

Flight was perfectly straight up to maybe 100 feet, although I'm a poor judge of altitudes. The motor ejected perfectly, didn't hit anyone, and the glider performed a nice flat glide into the grass.

Second flight was on an Estes C6-5. Boost was good but the CiCi arched over considerably before the motor ejected. The glide was again very nice and the landing was in the grass.

Edmonds CiCi Third flight was on an Estes C6-3, as I thought the long delay of the C6-5 had caused the glider to arc over before ejecting the motor. On this flight too though, the glider arched over quite a bit before ejecting the motor and transitioned into a nice glide down into the grass once again.

Recovery:
There was no damage whatsoever other than some grass stains on the leading edge of the wings. No burning or scorching, no cracked or broken fuselage, nothing.

The only possible CON would be the fact that the motor is ejected from the model and free falls to the ground. Every CiCi flight should probably be a head's up flight for this reason.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
I really like the CiCi. These flights were trial runs for an upcoming Cub Scout event, the Pack 1283 Rocket Launch 2005 coming up this June. I've purchased enough CiCi kits for all of the Cub Scouts in my den to build one for himself. Rob Edmonds has a great pricing program for schools and scouts. Just go to his website to take a look.

Main PROs: Very simple to build, perfect alignment of laser-cut parts, cool flight profile.

Main CONs: Ejecting the motor to freely fall back to the ground at burnout. This doesn't particularly bother me, but I know some people object to "spitting" a rocket's motor without a streamer.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
08/04 - "I built my CiCi in about 7 minutes, used CA throughout. No problems. I used a center cutout from an estes engine mount(a bt20 sized disc of fiber paper) glued to the inside of the left vertical stab.(for trim weight) I also dusted the model with fluorescent pink paint and then rubbed it down with steel wool for a "stained" color effect with almost no weight. Also added the additional hole for the engine to vent. I did nothing in the way of sanding or shaping. Flew it 4 times in the first outing on A-8-3's, perfect results, nice straight boost,100' circles to the ground. The kids were ecstatic, and I was amazed. GREAT KIT!!!!!" (D.W.)

GUEST's OPINION:
09/03 - "I built my CiCi in about 12 minutes. The lazer cut parts go together very precisely. 1st flight was on a A8-3. I never thought ANYTHING could fly away, out of sight and into a swamp 1/4 to 1/2 mile away on an A8-3! and on a calm day! I lost it, but returned (in long pants) to find it later that evening. I have now trimmed it to fly in circles!!" (J.W.M.)

GUEST's OPINION:
08/03 - "The CiCi was the star of the show for my neighborhood rocket launch today! Flew multiple times on A8-3, B4-2, and C6-3 on a field about 400 ft. square. B4-2 flights were perfect! The C6-3 flights rocked but were on the edge of being a bit too large for this size field. Recovery was in large graceful circles. [BTW, I tried for this effect by adding a fillet along one side of the fuselage.] No breakage problems though I took the suggestion from the tip below and poked a second hole in the body tube opposite the existing one. Stock construction other than that. Highly recommended!" (J.C.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
01/03 - "My CiCi flies great, except when the ejection charge snaps the fuselage in half. I've had to re-glue it 4-5 times because the ejection just breaks it in half. By now, all the CA has fixed the problem. When it flies right, it really is quite nice." (D.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/01 - "This was first attempt at a project of this kind. I figured it would be a great way to make use of the plethora of A8-3 motors I had left over from Blast-Off Flight Packs. The build was easy and it is amazing how precisely cut the parts were. The flight of my CiCi was fine, and I didn't have anything break and was pleased to see that an modestly priced kit could perform as well as it did. Before I assembled ANYTHING on the CiCi, I contacted Rob Edmonds regarding the use of paint, sealer, tissue for the wings, etc. He informed me that it is best to build it stock as the instructions show. Hence, that is exactly what I did. Neat little glider and a perfect use for A motors!" (B.C.)

GUEST's OPINION:
05/01 - "Mine came with neither the clay or tube marker, but went together nicely. I flew it six hours after I built it, but could have gone sooner. The CiCi went up in an upside down arc and just when we were about to give it up as a power prang, the ejection charge fired, the rocket performed a loop and righted itself, then headed off for the trees still flying at between 100 and 200'. (The trees are atop a large hill.) It hit near the treetop and bounced it's way down until it got stuck about 15-20' from the ground. After a couple of whacks with a tossed stick it flew the remaining distance to the ground unharmed. Interesting flight. I can't imagine the field that you'd need to fly this one on a C6-5. I'll trim it to glide in a circle next time. Choose your engines carefully for the CiCi. Start at the bottom and work your way up or kiss this one goodbye. It's a heck of a glider." (B.E.)

GUEST's OPINION:
12/99 - "1. My kit came without clay, but had the little tube marking piece. I bought it from Apogee Components over the Internet; a very easy experience with a quick arrival. 2. I too, tried a test glide in the house. I too, saw the nose down attitude. In fact, the third test glide resulted in a break in the same location as shown in the picture above. Having read the above review, I was thinking, Oh no, I bought a bum steer! I reglued the break, and took it to the local MASA launch in Elk River MN the next day anyway thinking Oh well, the failure will be spectacular. Much to my surprise, the thing flew well on both a 1/2A6-2 and an A8-3. I did not try and tinker with it to get a good test glide. I flew it as-is out of the box (plastic). SO, DO NOT TRY TO TRIM THIS GLIDER. FLY IT AS-IS! 3. Some notes on whether to finish this by painting would be appreciated, as well as some warning about not trimming before your fly. I rate this a 4. 5 on build, a 5 on flight and a 5 overall. My 10 year old daughter could do it all by herself if Dad would just get out of the way and let her do it. This review is misleading in that the builder deviated from instructions before he flew it." (D.F.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"The CiCi is a quick build and looks nice. It flies well on A8-3 motors, but Rob, the glider designer, told me to find a big field and put it up on a C motor. Well, I tried a B6-4 first and both wings shredded. And not at the weak points where the rudders(?) were glued to the rear wing, but in the middle of the rear wing. Not pretty! I need to research the cause and try it again. Generally, Edmonds products are easy to build, look good and fly well. The review was solid" (S.B.)

[Enter Rocket Specific Tip]

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
06/08 - "I've flown my CiCi THIRTEEN times, which is a personal record for a non-R/C boost/glider. Built mine stock without any attempts at air-foiling or even rounding the edges of the flying surfaces. Attempts to trim it for a better glide have been rather frustrating, 'cause sometimes she flies well and sometimes, well.... My Specific Tip is COLOR YOUR GLIDER with a bright permanent marker (fluorescents are nice if you can find 'em... and I don't mean those weakly -tinted highlighters). It adds Very Little Weight and it'll really help in the recovery process." (T.W. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
10/03 - "CiCi with an Estes B6-2 is just a perfect combination; many flights of 2 minutes plus. I use the following modifications: 1) wooden matchsticks (less heads) are epoxied to the forward fuselage, their midpoints just above the canard trailing edge (this prevents ejection from ripping off the front end), I use 5 min. epoxy throughout; 2) altering the flat airfoils should not be attempted, but it helps to MODESTLY round both leading edges -- airflow abhors sharp edges, and doing this smooths the glide, preventing falling leaf stalls." (L.B. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
01/03 - "Reinforce the fuselage with CA around the motor tube. This will help keep the glider from snapping when the motor ejects." (D.S. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
11/02 - "I like the glide on the CiCi, but my son & I each had ours break the same place you mention (“front canard, engine pod and nose cone snapping off about 1/4 inch behind the motor tube and just at the base of the curve descending from the motor mount to the main plane of the fuselage.” – R.J.T. from RMR). I spoke to Rob Edmonds (it's easy with him in the same club!) & as I recall, he said adding a second hole opposite the original hole (ejection port) may equalize the ejection pressure thus minimizing the sideways force making it less likely for uneven pressure to snap the fuselage. I don't think I ever made the improvements to mine because of too much glue build-up from repeated repairs made it difficult to fix. I just dug the wing portion out of my repair pile & if I dig further I ought find the front section. Now I'm inspired to scab that thing back together & try it with 2 holes. Definitely unblock the hole on yours (& drill/ream out a 2nd one" (R.H. from R.M.R. )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
07/02 - "My buddy and I bought and built our CiCis after a trip to Countdown Hobbies. I constructed mine as is and did no trimming whatsoever. My friend, on the other hand, trimmed and sanded his glider, adding clay and weights. When we launched, his shredded on the launch pad while mine has continued to sail again and again. The moral of the story? Do not trim the CiCi. Just add a small amount of clay to the left wing to induce left turns." (C.E.D. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
07-03-2005 George Beever Est SU A8-3 Just Before Calm - First flight, minimal glide.
02-03-2008 George Beever Est SU B6-2 Didn't Record Calm - Decent boost, nose-dived a bit before settling into a glide that was rather nose-down. Third flight on model.
07-05-2008 George Beever Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - Gliding? More like falling with style.
01-28-2006 Matthew Bond Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 10+ mph winds RIPEvent: QUARK Section Launch
- First Flight! Straight up under thrust, arced over on its back during the coast. Flipped over and nosed into the wind at ejection. Didn't fly so much as get pushed by the wind. Looked stable, landed flat, no damage. Status: Retired
02-12-2005 Edward Chess Est SU A8-3 Didn't Record Didn't Record - 35 second duration flight.
10-08-2006 Edward Chess Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds Event: FVR-7
- Very nice glide.
06-10-2007 Edward Chess Est SU A3-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Event: June 07 Launch
- Nice glide in clockwise circles due to some clay on right wing.
07-10-2010 Edward Chess Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds Event: July Launch/Kishwaukee Park
- Motor ejected just past apogee, good boost, long flight in wind. Got slow circles due to clay weight on wing.
04-04-2004 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Fast boost with slight roll. Near apogee it was heading across street into forbidden zone. Motor ejected, then glider settled into slow right-hand turn over the field(WHEW!). Completed about 1.5 turns before landing safely.
05-22-2004 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - Nice boost, pitching down while under thrust. After ejection, performed a gentle S-turn downwind. Barely stayed in football field.
08-08-2004 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Pitched toward belly off end of rod, then straightened out for a good boost. Did roll or two near apogee, then ejected. Zig-zagged twice during glide. Safe landing.
11-13-2004 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - Fast boost, then coasted into the wind. After ejection, turned downwind before circling back to a gentle landing near far side of soccer field.
04-02-2005 Bob Cox Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - Turned about 30 degrees off vertical off end of rod, then flew straight for rest of burn. Gently circled for about 1.5 turns. May be slightly nose-heavy. Flight duration: 20 sec
04-10-2005 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Fast boost, then turned into wind at apogee. Ejected motor, then continued upwind for a few seconds, slowly turned downwind and traveled quite a distance, then turned upwind near end of flight.
07-31-2005 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Immediately veered downwind off end of rod. Did a cool barrel roll during boost, then ejected right near apogee. Glider then dropped nose down and did an uncool barrel roll into the ground. Only about 6 second glide. Strange.
09-18-2005 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - Twisted on rod, then veered off about 30 degrees immediately after leaving rod. Ejected motor near apogee, did a tight half-loop, then settled into a fairly steep glide with gentle curve. Hit ground rather hard, but no damage. Needs trimming.
10-16-2005 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds - Some corkscrew during boost. Ejected near apogee. Fast glide, with small left turn, completing about 1.5 turns. Safe landing.
07-01-2007 Bob Cox Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Event: Rodeo Grounds
- Fast takeoff with 2 rolls during boost. After ejection, very steep spiral dive back to ground. 14 seconds. Post-flight inpection showed split wing that probably caused roll. Unsure what caused split. Repairable.
07-01-2007 Bob Cox Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Event: Rodeo Grounds
- ast takeoff with one roll during boost. After ejection, settled into a broad left-hand spiral to soft landing in tall hay. 34 seconds.
09-09-2007 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 None - Unknown 5-10 mph winds Event: Century
- Rocket bound on rod and never took off, even though it was freshly cleaned. This was the second rocket that got stuck today.
09-09-2007 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 None - Unknown 5-10 mph winds Event: Century
- Rocket bound on rod and never took off. This was the second time this happened for this rocket, and the third rocket to get stuck today.
09-09-2007 Bob Cox Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds Event: Century
- After sticking on rod twice in one day, the third flight was great. Straight boost. Glided for two wide circles, just avoiding landing on school roof. 24 sec.
05-05-2001 Bill Eichelberger Est SU A8-3 Very Late Calm Apogee or bust! - The CiCi did a big upside down U but once the ejection charge fired, it straightened out and flew over a hill into a tree. Watching it bounce it's way down was cool. Sphincter tightening, but entertaining.
06-17-2001 Bill Eichelberger Est SU B6-4 Very Late 5-10 mph winds Apogee or bust! - A little windy for this little one. It floated rather than flew, then I had to fight off a snake for possession of it.
06-24-2001 Bill Eichelberger Est SU A8-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Apogee or bust! - Drifted off toward the woods, but only made it to the edge. Great flight, but one of these times I know I'm not going to get it back.
07-22-2001 Bill Eichelberger Est SU B6-0 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Apogee or bust! - Sailed off into construction site, flying straight and true. Recovered with little difficulty. Someone suggested that I weight one side of the wing to make a circular glide path. I may try that next.
05-19-2002 Bill Eichelberger Est SU B4-4 None - Glider Gusty Apogee or bust! - Nice long flight. Landed 20' from pad.
05-19-2002 Bill Eichelberger Est SU C5-3 None - Glider Gusty Apogee or bust! - Great flight, but long walk and search before recovery.
05-19-2002 Bill Eichelberger Est SU C6-3 None - Unknown Gusty Apogee or bust! - Engine didn't fully eject and glider nosedived. Recovered intact.
08-08-2002 Bill Eichelberger Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Apogee or bust! - Not a great field for this kind of rocket, but I got lucky. Long recovery glide across B6-4 Field.
09-01-2002 Bill Eichelberger Est SU A8-3 None - Glider Calm Apogee or bust! - Recovered at edge of the field after a long glide. My nephew then broke it in the car on the trip home.
07-22-2001 Sam Eichelberger Est SU B6-6 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds - Fin broke on landing, but overall a nice, high, straight flight.
02-29-2004 Sam Eichelberger Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Element Express - Another of Estes apparently patented Shotgun ejection charges caused the rocket to throw a fin. Dropped like a wounded bird and the fin drifted into the woods.
11-20-1999 David Fergus Est SU 1/2A6-2 Just Before Calm - erratic flight up, good circular glide down
11-20-1999 David Fergus Est SU A8-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - straighter flight with an A than a 1/2A, still a little erratic, but not much. good glide in a large circular even glide path
03-04-2000 David Fergus Est SU A8-3 Very Late 5-10 mph winds - ballistic flight path, didn't pull out of dive before it hit the turf, broke engine mount off.
09-14-2007 Matt Gillard Est SU B6-4 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds - 27 second glide
09-14-2007 Matt Gillard Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds - 17 second glide.
09-24-2007 Matt Gillard Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 10+ mph winds - 23 seconds glide
09-30-2007 Matt Gillard Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - arched boost, straight flight, longish walk 27 seconds
10-07-2007 Matt Gillard Est SU B4-2 None - Glider Calm - 20 seconds, straight glide, need to retrim
03-21-2009 Matt Gillard Est SU A8-3 None - Glider 5-10 mph winds - arched boost, ejection about 40 feet from ground, but glider performed well for the last few seconds!
10-12-2009 Matt Gillard Est SU B6-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - good clean flight
10-12-2009 Matt Gillard Est SU B6-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds - another good flight, higher this time, flew into a tree, recovered via a long stick
02-16-2009 Mark Grisco Est SU C6-3 None - CATO 5-10 mph winds RIP - it went crazy. ten feet off the ground for about 200 feet and slamed into the ground. it re-kitted. kind of cool!!! Status: Not Repairable
03-16-2006 Hank Helmen Qst SU B6-2 Apogee - NC Up
(93 ft)
0-5 mph winds - Good launch into an erratic arch , though generally in an upward trajectory. Nice smooth circling glide.
03-26-2006 Hank Helmen Est SU A8-3 Very Late
(100 ft)
5-10 mph winds Event: field day
Number 2 - Big slow arch boost. Ejected nose down late. Good long glide way down wind.
03-26-2006 Hank Helmen Est SU A8-3 Very Late
(128 ft)
5-10 mph winds Event: field day
Number 1 -
08-21-2006 Hank Helmen Est SU C6-3 Just Past (1-2sec)
(100 ft)
Calm Event: Evening Launch
Black & White - Curvy Boost, ejection during flat glide. Good cirlcing glide recovered by William on far side of neighbor's house
04-22-2007 Hank Helmen Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec)
(125 ft)
0-5 mph winds Event: Field Day 07
- Another good flight on this bird. The B6-4 seems to be good power for this rocket. Circling 40 second glide.
04-24-2007 Hank Helmen Est SU A8-3 Just Before
(<100 ft)
Calm Event: evening launch
Number 1 - Gyrating climb, lost site of boost! Picked it up at ejection because it made a loud report. Nice circling 15 second glide recovery. Wish it had gone straighter and higher on boost for longer glide time.
05-19-2007 Hank Helmen Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Up
(100 ft)
10+ mph winds Event: GCPR Picnic
Number 2 - Typical flight for this rocket. Crazy screwy climb, then POP at ejection glider shoots forward and glides down nicely.
05-29-2010 Hank Helmen Est SU B6-0 None - Glider
(112 ft)
0-5 mph winds Event: GCPR Picnic
Number 2 - Accidentally loaded a booster engine with no delay or ejection charge!Extra weight of engine in nose pod resulted in extreme nose down glide. Landed in grass OK, no damage!
05-29-2010 Hank Helmen Est SU B4-2 Apogee - NC Down
(203 ft)
0-5 mph winds Event: GCPR Soccer PicNic
Number 2 - Good flight for a CiCi. Nice altitude curvy boost Engine kicked late no damage. Excellent circling glide had Recovery kids running! Over anxious hands and feet caused substantial damage to wing! Easy repair.
04-14-2007 Geoffrey Kerbel Est SU C6-3 None - Glider
(Didn't see ft)
5-10 mph winds Event: Club launch
- Bad weathercock at launch, 30 deg. then straightened up. Heard motor pop but no sight of glider. Thought it was lost when it suddenly came right across the pad and landed! Good flight
04-14-2007 Geoffrey Kerbel Est SU B6-0 Just Before
(200 ft)
10+ mph winds Event: Club launch
- Nice boost with smaller motor. Much better glide with slight trim adjustments. Smooth landing after 31 seconds.
11-29-2008 Glenn Little Est SU A8-8 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds Event: Watchaug Rd upper field
- Maiden flight for this; 2nd launch of T-day '08. My first glider-type rocket, I could become hooked. Went 100' or so, upside down until ejection, then stright glide. Will try to modify for circle glide. What fun!
02-25-2006 Todd Mullin Est SU B4-2 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Event: DART Launch
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02-25-2006 Todd Mullin Est SU C6-3 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Event: DART Launch
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04-29-2006 Todd Mullin Est SU B4-4 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds Event: DART Launch
- Odd glide. Model is trimed to turn clockwise but the wind kept trying to turn it counter-clockwise. Almost flew into water-hazard...
01-28-2006 Todd Mullin Est SU B6-2 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds RIPEvent: DART Launch
- First flight. Great boost. Trimmed perfect except it didn't circle. Flew out to carrier land in San Diego's Mission Bay! Status: Lost
06-03-2006 Todd Mullin Est SU B4-4 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds RIP - Perfect boost...straight into the sun... Lost track. Status: Lost
03-01-2008 Mark Rose Est SU A8-3 Just Before 5-10 mph winds - Bone stock build, with a little CA reinforcement. Straight boost, flat and fast glide.
03-01-2008 Mark Rose Est SU B4-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Stock build, with a little CA reinforcement. Straight boost, flat and fast glide (no circling). Perfect motor for this glider.
03-09-2008 Mark Rose Est SU A8-3 Very Late 0-5 mph winds - Did not boost straight--did not get enough height--ejection just before impact. Glider flew into ground fast, but amazingly no damage (CA reinforcement on spine).
03-09-2008 Mark Rose Est SU C6-3 Just Before 0-5 mph winds Event: Orangeburg
- Nice boost to 350' or so, ejection just before apogee. Glide went on for well over a minute--many oooh's and ahh's from crowd as it meandered down.
11-16-2008 Mark Rose Est SU A8-3 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Little too windy--glided okay, but hit somewhat fast, nose low
11-16-2008 Mark Rose Est SU B4-2 Just Before 5-10 mph winds Flight Picture - Excellent flight--great motor on a semi-windy day
09-18-2010 Mark Rose Est SU C6-3 Late (2-3sec) 0-5 mph winds - Weathercocked horizontal into land shark mode at about 250' AGL--good thing it only had a 3 second delay! Still put out a great flight after ejection.
09-18-2004 Dana Ryman Est SU B6-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Went for NARTREK silver 30 sec duration. This puppy did 36 with a wonderful glide to boot! I didn't have the suggested B4-2, but will fly again soon w/correct engine for an even longer duration. :-)
08-31-2003 Jim Salem Est SU A8-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Fine flight. Seemed a little late on ejection. Glided down in nice large circles.
08-31-2003 Jim Salem Est SU B4-2 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Perfect motor for the CiCi. Went ~300 ft. high. Nice spiral glide down (spiral was about 100 ft. in diameter).
08-31-2003 Jim Salem Est SU C6-3 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Spectacular flight arcing over at the top. Delay smoke came at the end of the arc while the CiCi was moving horizontally. With both C6-3 flights, recovery was at the edge of my 400 sq. ft. field.
05-05-2002 Malcolm Smith Est SU A8-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - First flight built exactly as directions stated. Did a roll after ejection and began to glide. Flight duration was 65 seconds. Recovered undamaged about 150 feet from pad.
05-05-2002 Malcolm Smith Est SU A8-3 Just Past (1-2sec) 5-10 mph winds - Second flight boost was straight then ejected and rolled once again. Flight was about 45 seconds. Recovered within 100 feet of pad. Noticed that nosecone had loosened and repaired.
   

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