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REV 2.4 - Mon Aug 16 11:36:33 2010

Aerotech
Astrobee-D
2113 W. 850 N. Street
Cedar City, UT 84720
(435)-865-7100
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SPECS: 68" x 2.6" - 28 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: Right Click to Download
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: F40-4W, F52-5T, G64-4W, F50-4T, G35-4W, F38-4FJ, G40-4W, G80-4T

Rating
(Contributed - by Ken Bracey)

Aerotech Astrobee D Brief:
The Aerotech Astrobee D Kit is one of the tallest Aerotech Mid power kits. It is a scale replica designed to fly on F and G motors. The rocket separates at the middle and both sections recover separately on their own chute. The kit comes complete with detailed plans of the actual Astrobee 'D' and the usual Aerotech features such as ejection cooling mesh and a no-wadding-required baffle system.

Construction:
The kit parts include 2 2.6 inch body tubes, a motor mount tube, thrust ring and motor hook, 4 plastic molded fins and Aerotech's Fin Lok system with thru the tube fin mounting. A tube coupler and bulk head assembly, plastic nose cone, a 22 and a 30 inch yellow nylon chute with plenty of elastic shock cord and 2 screw eyes. Detailed instructions are also included with paper layout templates for positioning important scale parts. 1 decal sheet is included. Various miscellaneous other items for completing the scale rocket such as scale launch lugs and scale antennae are included.

Pros: Impressive looking rocket (it is almost half scale). Instructions were straight forward. The layout templates were handy for positioning some items. The fin mounting system assembles with a positive 'click' into position. It is almost impossible not to get the fins on straight and in the correct position with this system if the instructions are followed. The cooling mesh and baffle system is easy to assemble and works well.

Cons: The tube coupler with this kit was extremely tight and I had to remove the first layer of paper from it and then sand it even more before I could get the fit right. I was so concerned with the tight fit of the tube coupler at first, that I even called Aerotech to make sure that I had the right piece. They told me that sometimes different humidity conditions can make some pieces swell in size! Before painting the fins, the instructions tell you to apply the fin boot decals to the leading edge of the fins. These decals are clear in color and the decals with this kit are a bit thick. The instructions call for you to cut out the decals and then fold them in half to make applying them to the leading edge of the fins easier. I found that putting these decals on was extremely difficult and ended up getting creases and bubbles under the decals that I just could not get out. I also did not understand the reasoning behind putting on the decals and then painting over them. After an E-mail to Aerotech again, they informed me that the purpose behind the decals was to give a bit of thickness to the leading edge of the fin to provide the appearance of the fin boots on the real rocket. I decided that I didn't need that level of scale appearance on my rocket since the creases and bubbles in the decal ruined the effect anyway and I removed the decals after having already started the paint job on the fins. By doing this, it left a perfectly straight ridge right where the fin boots would be which provided the perfect scale look of the fin boots anyway Lastly, after final construction was complete I noticed that the nose cone had a very slight warp to it. Once I noticed it became very annoying. I decided that since the rocket was already completed and painted that I would not replace the nose cone and hoped that others would not notice. However, other people have noticed that warp so it was worse than I thought. I may still try to replace the warped nose cone. If I had noticed it sooner, I would have asked Aerotech for a replacement under their warranty at that time.

Finishing:
Pros: Paint scheme is easy for beginners to master. No tricks needed here. The builder has 2 choices of finishing, Launch configuration which has the upper launch band in place or flight configuration which shows the band of bolts on the payload section where the upper launch band was covering.

Cons: Decals are extra thick and don't look very good unless special care is taken with them and then using clear coating to make the decals blend in well.

Construction Rating: 3 out of 5

Flight:
The model has only had one flight so far but that flight was a very nice one. Of course being an Aerotech kit, no wadding is needed with their cooling mesh/baffle system. The single use Aerotech engine fits perfectly in the motor mount which has a forward thrust ring and an engine hook for retention. I used a small piece of wire to tie the engine hook around the motor just to be safe that the motor did not eject (I recommend this with all motors E size and up that use and engine hook!)

The instructions are very explicit on how to pack chutes since this model comes down in two sections with 2 chutes. Each chute is attached to the end of a long piece of shock cord. One shock cord attaches to the baffle on top of the engine mount while the other mounts to the bulk head on the nose cone/upper section. The instructions say that the upper section chute must be packed into the lower body tube first and then the lower body chute must be packed on top of the upper section chute. This is to ensure that both chutes will be ejected and not left inside the body tube. I packed the chutes as instructed and removed the removable antenna before launch (so they don't get broken during the flight!).

The thrust was provide by an Aerotech SU G40-4W motor. Ignition was almost immediate and the Astrobee launched very slowly. It looked and sounded extremely realistic. wRASP simulations predicted about 1350 feet and I estimate that I got about that altitude. It was an almost perfectly straight boost with a nice white smoke trial. Ejection came just before apogee and both chutes appeared within seconds. There was a steady breeze at altitude and the two sections started to drift but did not get caught up in any thermals or such. Both sections landed within 10 feet of each other about 250 meters from the launch pad (a short hike through the bush!!). This flight was one of the most impressive I have ever seen with a mid-sized rocket! The two sections descending side by side was almost as impressive as the boost!

Recovery:
Pros: Both sections recovered within close proximity of each other. Both sections descend at exactly the same rate. Impressive to watch.

Cons: Must pay extra special attention when packing the chutes because proper recovery requires proper chute packing and this takes a bit more time to pack correctly. There is a good chance that the two sections may actually entangle with each other at ejection, hence the special care required in prepping!

I took off half a mark for the flight/recovery rating because of the anxiety I felt thinking that the two sections would entangle with each other at ejection. I feel that there might be a way to engineer something to prevent an entanglement (even though I did not experience and entanglement) but I do not know how.

Flight Rating: 4 1/2 out of 5

Summary:
I feel this kit was very good. I had fun building and flying it. It is an impressive looking kit both standing still and in the air. I was a bit disappointed with the tight fitting coupler and with the warped nose cone but having dealt with Aerotech customer service in the past I know that these problems are easily rectified and should not be reasons to prevent anyone from trying this kit. If you like scale rockets and nice realistic looking flights then I do recommend this kit.

Overall Rating: 4 out of 5


[NAR][Sport Rocketry]

The following excerpt is from "Sport Rocketry".The intention is to allow guests to get a basic feeling about a kit.We strongly suggest that you get a copy of the referenced Sport Rocketry and read the entire article.Inside you will find many helpful hints in construction as well as other useful information.For more information, use the two links above.


(Sport Rocketry - Summer 1996 - page 32 - by Douglas Gardei [Who's Who Page]

[Picture]"The Astrobee D is a very attractive scale model that is almost half the size of the real thing." 
"The Astrobee D is Aerotech's most difficult kit to build." 
"The kit has exactly 50 parts." 
"Cutting the two Aft scale launch lugs was very difficult; good thing there was plenty of the launch lug material." 
"My first flight of my Astrobee D was with an F52-5 Blue Thunder reload." 
"The Astrobee D was more challenging then any other Aerotech model I have built." 

The entire article gives the impression is that this is a challenging kit for experienced/skilled modelers.

[Submit your Opinion]

GUEST's OPINION:
09/02 - "The tube coupler for the main body tubes is very tight fitting, as is typical for Aerotech kits. This is a problem for the lower tube as this connection must separate in flight. I sanded away a considerable amount of the coupler where it protrudes from the upper section, and then applied a light coat of sandible primer, which I then sanded smooth. This gave me a fit that was snug but which slid apart smoothly. Took a lot of work and care, to get it right. As it is I think I need to do more. On the first flight (on a G35-4) the boost was straight and high, and the two halves separated near apogee, but the momentum of the top portion was expended sliding off the coupler, and it did not pull the chutes out. Eventually the falling sections pulled out the chutes and, after a nervous few moments, everything opened up and the flight ended well. Still, the separation and deployment of the dual chutes is the tricky part of this kit. Still, it's a mighty impressive flyer and looks great once the chutes are open." (G.A.D.)

GUEST's OPINION:
11/01 - "I built mine for a level 1 attempt on an H128W-10. I modified the kit by leaving out the retainer hook and beefed up the aft Centering ring with .25 plywood. Positive retention and it flew great to 1875 feet. Nxt it will be modified for dual deployment." (L.S.Z.)

GUEST's OPINION:
10/01 - "Is is a well built kit. The final rocket is big and beautiful and the supplied decals add the finishing touches. The supplied paint and decal info is very helpful. The only thing you must watch out for is to follow the chute packing directions exactly. The top chute goes in first then the bottom chute." (J.C.)

GUEST's OPINION:
"The Astrobee D is the whole reason I got back into model rocketry. Big, scale versions of actual rockets that look real taking off. This kit is Aerotech's best by far. It's big and loud, beats the hell out of those dinky Estes rockets I had back in the 70's." (S.R.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
03/02 - "Two hints: one, tie the two chutes together with ten feet or so of something like kite string or strong sewing thread and two, add about a half a gram of 4F black powder or pyrodex to the ejection charge. This is a large volume of rocket to be pressurized and a lot of inertial mass to get moving ahead of the charge." (N. from RMR )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
"I came up with an improvement on the scale antenna mounting. Instead of using the supplied aluminum tubing and removing them before flight, I found some small coil springs (Home Depot as I recall) and used sections of them in place of the tubing.The springs provide enough flexibility to prevent snapping the antennas off on landing so they can be left on the rocket." (L.H. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
07-04-2006 Brad Baylis AT RMS G64-7 Late (2-3sec) 5-10 mph winds - chute deployed way late, but rocket was recovered intact.
12-10-1999 Jeff Brundt AT RMS G64-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - 1st flight after a repaint. The Astrobee flew straight and true (as always). Upper level winds caused it to drift more than expected.
09-03-2000 Joe Cacciatore AT SU F50-4 Apogee - NC Up Light winds - Great first flight but ejected barely at 4 seconds, engine had a short delay! Went only about 300'. 2 chutes came out OK, landed OK.
09-10-2000 Joe Cacciatore AT EconoJet G35-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Great flight with G35-4. Could have been even better with a 5 or 6 second delay. Went about 900' and came down 50' from pad (both sections)!
07-07-2001 Joe Cacciatore AT EconoJet G35-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Nice flight on a G35. Bottom section landed in field near drainage ditch. Top section landed in cornfield. Cute girl showed me about where it landed. Found it!
08-05-2001 Joe Cacciatore AT SU G80-4 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds - Rocket flys nice on a G80-4!
11-03-2001 Joe Cacciatore AT SU F50-4 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - Both shock cords get tangled up and both sections landed together but no damage.
10-06-2002 Joe Cacciatore AT SU G40-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - Nice boost on a G40 but it lands in a tree. Thanks to Bob K. and a long pole we go it down with no damage. Praise the Lord.
10-20-2002 Joe Cacciatore AT SU G80-7 Apogee - NC Down 5-10 mph winds - Great boost with moderate winds, 7 second delay works good, tied both sections together and removed one chute. Works OK for soft field landings and high winds.
07-06-2003 Joe Cacciatore AT EconoJet G35-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Nice, slow takeoff with the G35. Ejection right at the top. Replaced oriignal dual chutes with just one and tieing the two sections together works great.
11-02-2003 Joe Cacciatore AT EconoJet G35-4 Apogee - Perfect Calm - Love those noisey G35 engines, lands close to pad.
08-07-2004 Joe Cacciatore AT RMS F40-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - Very low and slow flight on F40, mininum size motor for this rocket but a really cool flight.
07-16-2005 Joe Cacciatore AT RMS F40-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Good, slow flight on an F40, the smallest engine this rocket can handle.
09-29-2002 G.A. Dean AT EconoJet G35-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds - Nice boost with a little spin; I think the tip of one fin was bent slightly in transit to launch (noticed it after flight). Took a while to get both chutes open, which entertained the crowd but made me nervous.
06-17-2006 Gary Drebit Est SU C6-5 Apogee - Perfect Calm Event: Club Launch
- Perfect flight
06-23-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F40-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: NERRF 2
AstroSam-D - First medium power flight ever; first flight for this bird. Flew low and slow, both chutes opened.
06-24-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F52-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: NERRF 2
AstroSam-D - Another low and slow medium flight
06-24-2006 Howie Druckerman AT SU G40-4 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds Event: NERRF 2
AstroSam-D - First G flight for this rocket and still flew slow but not as low
07-08-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F40-5 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds AstroSam-D - Good flight, no problems
07-08-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F40-5 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds AstroSam-D - Body tube split as expected but parachute did not eject -- hit ground hard. Body tube bent at engine mount (repaired and foamed to be very sturdy).
07-29-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F40-4 Apogee - NC Down Light winds Event: NYPOWER
AstroSam-D - F of A through G
07-29-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G64-4 Apogee - NC Down Light winds Event: NYPOWER
AstroSam-D - G of A through G
07-30-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F40-5 Apogee - Perfect Light winds Event: NYPOWER
AstroSam-D - a good flight with one 36 inch chute (and a small 12 inch one to insure the 36 inch one gets pulled out)
08-13-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F52-5 Apogee - NC Down Gusty Event: CRMRC
AstroSam-D - F of 1/2A to H; used single 36 inch chute with 12 inch chute to insure 36 inch chute comes out (and it was needed)
09-10-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G77-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Event: Cobleskill Invitational
AstroSam-D - Continue to use single 36 inch chute with 12 to make sure it comes out -- the 12 continues to help (built in dual deploy!)
10-08-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F52-4 None - Unknown 0-5 mph winds AstroSam-D - Problem flight from the start -- motor did not want to assemble, then igniter fell out, then ejection charge failed to split rocket. Fell in a flat spin and landed gently.
10-08-2006 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G64-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds AstroSam-D - Took rocket from previous flight (no chute), installed new motor, repacked chute and flew perfectly
05-20-2007 Howie Druckerman AT RMS F40-4 Apogee - NC Down Gusty AstroSam-D - A perfect flight to around 700 feet. I used a single 36 inch chute for recovery, with an 18 inch X chute to make sure the main gets pulled out of the airframe.
07-22-2007 Howie Druckerman AT SU G80-4 Apogee - NC Up Light winds Event: CRMRC
AstroSam-D - Perfect first flight of the day. Small chute pulled the main chute out and a great gentle landing.
07-29-2007 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G64-4 Apogee - NC Down Light winds Event: NYPOWER 12
AstroSam-D - At apogee the airframe separated as expected but the drogue chute did not pull the main chute as it got tangled up. Rocket floated down and survived.
08-19-2007 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G33-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds AstroSam-D - A great flight -- extra small (18in X) chute pulled out larger chute (36in X) to give it a picture perfect flight.
09-16-2007 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G64-7 Apogee - NC Down 0-5 mph winds AstroSam-D - Great flight; used two parachutes, one on each section and it worked fine.
10-14-2007 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G71-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds Event: CTRA Invitational XIII
AstroSam-D - Drilled down delay from 7 to 4 - just a bit late. Used 36 inch main chute and 18 inch to pull out the 36 chute. This works well for this rocket as the charge easily does the 18 inch but not always the 36 inch.
10-21-2007 Howie Druckerman AT RMS G33-4 Apogee - NC Up 5-10 mph winds AstroSam-D - The dual deploy of a small (18in. X chute) pulling out the 36in main chute worked to a charm
05-03-2008 Howie Druckerman AT SU F50-4 None - Unknown Gusty AstroSam-D - Motor ejected and rocket augered straight in. Fin can survived. Rebuilt with new nose cone and additional air frame pieces
01-17-2009 Howie Druckerman AT SU F50-4 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds AstroSam-D - Motor ejected (even used zip tie but broke at 4degF) causing parachute to stick in airframe. Fincan fine, NC fine, need major airframe rebuild.
06-04-2005 Pierre Julien AT SU G80-7 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Rocket fest Quebec
- Perfect flight in preparation for level 1 Cert
06-04-2005 Pierre Julien AT RMS H97-10 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Rocket fest Quebec
- Nice flight , black smoke , straight , chutes tangled but no damage , Level 1 certified
08-29-2005 Pierre Julien AT SU G40-7 Apogee - NC Down Calm - Perfect motor/delay for this rocket in calm conditions .
10-07-2006 Bryant Lange AT RMS F40-4 Apogee - NC Down Gusty Event: Mini-RocketFest
- My first mid-power flight. Arrow-straight, loud boost. Bright yellow flame was clearly visible. Opted for single 30 parachute due to high wind. Landed about 250m away. No damage.
10-07-2006 Bryant Lange AT RMS F52-5 Apogee - Perfect Gusty Event: Mini-RocketFest
- Great flight again. Straight boost, perfect ejection. came down on single 30 parachute about 275m away, no damage due to soft potato field.
10-07-2006 Bryant Lange AT SU G40-4 Apogee - NC Down Gusty Event: Mini-RocketFest
- Slight weathercocking on takeoff due to wind, but quickly straightened out. Very impressive boost. Opted for a single 22 chute, came down fast but with no damage about 400m downwind.
06-23-2007 Bryant Lange AT RMS F52-5 Apogee - Perfect 0-5 mph winds Event: Rocket Fest 07
- Good flight, recovered nearby.
06-23-2007 Bryant Lange AT RMS G64-4 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: Rocket Fest 07
- Another great flight on the G64, had quite a kick even after being loaded for 4 months. Recovered right in front of me on the 30 inch chute. No damage.
06-17-2005 Philip Levanda Ellis SU G35-6 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds Event: NERRF 2005
- Ncie flight on this motor. Both sections seperated with no tangle.
04-10-2004 Michael Mangieri AT RMS G64-7 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds - Maiden flight of the Astrobee-D. Awesome. Loud and beautiful in the clear blue skies.
07-10-2004 Michael Mangieri AT RMS G64-7 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - Beautiful flight with nice straight boost and lots of noise :) Rear section landed on a road and damaged a fin.
10-23-2005 Michael Mangieri AT RMS G64-7 Very Late Gusty - Nice boost. Eject seemed OK as upper section and lower section separated OK. But parachute failed to deploy on the booster section which came in ballistic. Top 10 inches of BT needs to be replaced.
06-02-2007 Michael Mangieri AT RMS G64-7 Didn't Record 10+ mph winds - Nice flight. Recovery was dicey - upper section landed on electric wires. With help from the wind and a cheap parachute the wire sliced through the shroud lines one by one. She finally fell about 20 minutes later!
05-07-2000 Jerry OSullivan AT RMS I211 didn't record didn't record - Just a beautiful, straight flight Alt. 3259
06-04-2000 Jerry OSullivan AT RMS H180 didn't record didn't record - Nice flight perfect dual deployment, landed on road slightly dinging 2 fins. Alt. 1310
07-04-2000 Jerry OSullivan AT RMS I161 didn't record didn't record - I had an I284 loaded but it was hazy so I backed off and flew the little I for another crowd pleasing flight ALt. 2250
02-04-2001 Jerry OSullivan Ex J650 White Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - This was a propellant formulation from DPS and the motor was made by me. It worked great, boosting the Astrobee D to 4500'
11-04-2000 Scott Patterson AT SU G40-4 Apogee - Perfect Light winds - Maiden flight tracked to 1214ft. Perfect flight though motor section did drift a fair way.
07-22-2000 Steve Ruane AT RMS F40-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 0-5 mph winds - ejected nose down - areodynamic forces pushed lower chute into lower body tube - lower chute never deployed
06-14-2003 Jason Vennard AT SU G80-4 Just Before 0-5 mph winds - Maiden flight. Straight boost slightly spinning on the way up, ejectin a sec or two early. Shock cords tied together came down nicely under 30 nylon chute.
11-03-2001 Larry Zeilmann AT RMS H128-M Apogee - NC Down Calm Level 1 - Cert flight, perfect Cert Flight: L1
12-09-2001 Larry Zeilmann AT RMS H128-10 Apogee - NC Up 0-5 mph winds Level 1 - Beautiful straigh flight on a perfect day
06-01-2002 Larry Zeilmann AT RMS G64-4 Just Past (1-2sec) 10+ mph winds Level 1 - Altimeter testing, bad air sampling, late ejection
   

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