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REV 2.4 - Sat Jun 11 13:15:09 2011

Art Applewhite
Flying Saucer 29mm (10.25")
P.O.Box 294064
Kerrville, TX 78028
 
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SPECS: 3.5" x 10.25" - 1.5 oz
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REC'D MOTORS: Ellis G35, all Aerotech SU and 29mm RMS 29/40-120 reloads

Rating
(Contributed - by Dick Stafford [Who's Who Page] - 11/15/02)

Brief:
I don't know what Art is feeding his saucers, but they just seem to keep gettin' BIGGER. His latest offering is 10.25 inches in diameter and flies on 29mm motors. The construction is almost identical to his 7.5 and 9-inch saucers, with a few components beefed up a bit. This one is fluorescent orange, but he also offers a 'Texas Special', USAF, Stas and Stripes, Smiley Face, and several other solid colors.

Construction:

The parts are simple, are all of good quality, and include:

  • Preprinted card stock for the top and core assembly.
  • One thick 10.25" plastic picnic plate for the bottom.
  • One thick walled 29mm motor tube
  • One 3/16" launch lug
  • 3/32" basswood fin stock

Tools and materials required:

  • Scissors
  • Exacto knife
  • Elmer's white glue
  • Devcon. 2 Ton epoxy or clear, 30 minute epoxy
  • Clear enamel (Rust-Oleum Crystal Clear or equivalent)
  • Tape (clear or masking)
  • 150 grit sandpaper

This saucer is another easy build. There are five pages of detailed instructions with plenty of diagrams. White glue is used to assemble the conical top and core assembly. I will re-emphasize the construction notes about using thin layers of white glue. More does not help and will only warp the paper. If you follow this guidance, the results will be nice. Art has added some notes about using plates and bowls to hold the pieces together as they are assembled. These techniques worked great, taking advantage of the geometry of the structures to keep them uniformly in contact with one another. Once the top and core are assembled, it is time to add the plastic plate to the bottom. He provides a template to cut out the center. Unlike its smaller cousins, the plate is epoxied to the top assembly. You first sand the plate to fit, and then spread a thin layer of epoxy over the entire inside of the top and core. You reinstall the plate and clamp it down with a suitably sized bowl. I know this is an odd statement coming from me (Mr. UseWhatYou'veGot), but use the Devcon 2-ton epoxy recommended in the instructions. In a previous experiment, I found that Bob Smith epoxy would bleed through the cardstock. The fin can assembles with white glue (I used carpenter's glue for this step) like any other set of fins. The basswood fin stock is nice and easy to work with. Unlike the smaller saucers, the fin unit is glued in place, completing the assembly.

Finishing:
I sealed the fins with Fill-and-Finish and painted the fin can in a camouflage pattern with various day-glow colors. I painted 99.9% before installation, and touched up around the fillets after it was glued into the body. Finally, per the instructions, I sealed the cardstock with clear enamel. Looks pretty good if I do say so myself.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
The recommended motors list includes the Ellis G35, all Aerotech 29mm SU, and all RMS 29/40-120 reloads. I flew the model on a G38 with the ejection charge removed. I angled the rod slightly away from the crowd and almost parallel to the to the light wind. The flight was a real crowd pleaser, with lots of black smoke. The boost started straight (with the wind) and the saucer did a half-corkscrew turn into the wind. It gently landed maybe 20 feet from the pad. I didn't catch a launch shot, but you can see the flight of a beta-test version at the top of this review, also on a G38 (the materials were identical except for the decoration). On this flight, the winds were stiff so it weathercocked quite a bit, as is to be expected. Nevertheless, it was also a cool flight.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
Once again, Art has shown himself to be a master of simple, elegant designs. This saucer is mostly made out of common household materials, yet it looks great and holds up to G motors! This is a far cry from my first attempt at a mid-power saucer, which was built like a tank and flew like one too.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5


Rating
(Contributed - by Bob Goffena - 11/30/09)

Brief:
Won this Art Applewhite saucer kit as part of the 2009 EMRR Rocket Video Contest. www.artapplewhite.com offers numerous cool oddrocs in various styles (saucers, pyramids, monocopters, hourglass/spools, etc) and sizes (i.e. 4" to 18" diameter saucers). I had been thinking about scratch building a saucer for sometime, and am glad I got hold of this kit first. The finished kit is as strong as anything I would have scratch built and much more light weight.

Construction:
Parts provided by kit:

  • Card stock for top and core assembly
  • One thick 10.25” plastic picnic plate for the bottom
  • One thick walled 29mm motor tube
  • One 3/16” launch lug
  • 3” x 6” x 3/32” basswood fin stock
  • 4 pages cardstock printed with patterns ready for cut out
  • 6 pages of instructions
  • 1 plate cutting guide

Tools and materials required:

  • Scissors and/or utility/exacto knife
  • Elmers white glue is recommended (I used Titebond II wood glue)
  • Devcon 2 ton Epoxy or clear, 30 minute epoxy
  • Clear enamel is recommended
  • 150 grit sandpaper

The top half and core are constructed using cardstock and white glue (I used wood glue). As mentioned in a previous review, plates and bowls are used to keep things centered up and to apply uniform pressure when gluing the core to the top half. Simple, easily executed technique that I would have not thought of myself. Up to this point everything was constructed out of card stock and seemed fairly flimsy.

After using the plate cutting guide to cut out the core hole from the plastic picnic plate, the plastic picnic plate is placed over/around the core and glued together at the core. At this point the build was getting more sturdy.

A fin can is created by cutting fins from the basswood, and gluing to the provided motor mount. I glued the provided 3/16” launch lug to the fin can as instructed. I also added a 1/4” launch lug to the fin can, as I prefer to launch from a wider diameter rod. The fin can is then glued into the core.

At this point, the kit was complete except for finishing. With the addition of the fin can, the kit was surprisingly strong to me. I have no doubt, the kit will hold up to any g motors and likely many larger motors.

Finishing:
The original flying saucer kits are available in fluorescent green, fluorescent yellow, fluorescent orange, white, smiley, and hot pink. I ordered the white figuring i would paint it a mixture of colors. In the end i decided to paint it silver and apply silver monokote on the top portion of the rocket.

My final weight came in at 2.5 oz, instead of the manufactured listed 1.5 oz. I think the extra ounce was due to the addition of monokote, the extra launch lug, and overapplication of epoxy.

Construction Rating: 5 out of 5

Flight:
For the initial launch, I loaded up an Aerotech G64W-4. The instructions describe using friction fit for motor retention. In lieu of friction fit, I opted to loop 20 gauge steel write around the nozzle of the motor and through the provided 3/16” launch lug. The saucer was then placed on a 1/4” rod. Launch winds were 10 mph.

Everyone at the launch was surprised by how quickly the saucer leapt off the pad, how high the saucer went, and how straight the saucer flew. The saucer quit ascending almost immediately upon motor burnout.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bguff/sets/72157622785756553/

http://www.youtube.com/user/bguffer#p/u/1/CTGjvCq_VQo

http://www.youtube.com/user/bguffer#p/u/0/Milflcco0fU

Recovery:
After reaching apogee, the saucer turned over and started flipping/fluttering toward the ground. I'm not certain flipping is normal behavior of saucer recovery. If not, I suspect the flipping had something to do with the extra weight I added during construction. Regardless, the saucer descended slowly and safely, and everything was recovered intact ready to fly again.

Flight Rating: 4 out of 5

Summary:
If you are looking to build a saucer, definitely consider checking out www.artapplerockets.com. This kit produces a great saucer, and definitely teaches the builder that light weight materials can be used to create very strong rockets.

Overall Rating: 5 out of 5

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GUEST's OPINION:
10/03 - "With this design, you can burn pounds of AP, one motor at a time! I just flew it today. Winds were steady at 15-20mph. Noone was flying. I put my 29x10.5 Saucer up on a G40 with the ejection charge removed. Despite the wind, she went straight up. It's awesome to see such a small rocket with such a big flame under it. The motors work so hard to achieve such little altitude. The recovery was the best. Mine always stops, turns over and falls gently to the ground! I can't wait to build my 38mm saucer." (S.S.)

GUEST's OPINION:
07/03 - "The only thing I would improve would be to mark the center of the plate, and the center of the cut out template. If Art were to build a jig for the plate, that centered the plate and poked a center hole, it would be a lot easier to center the template. Other than this, the rocket was an easy built. From start to finish, about 2 hours (including waiting for glue to dry). Flights are fantastic. I've flown it on an F20 and an F23. The rocket rips of the pad, and then drag takes over. The recoveries have been slow and gentle. Since the F20 is one of the loudest little motors out there, this would be a spectacular school demo rocket: loud, colorful, interesting and easy to recover." (DAU)

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Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
06-26-2010 Ken Jarosch AT RMS G77-S None - Tumble Calm Event: June Launch
- -Stars & Stripes: At ignition the motor slowly built pressure and then took off in a large red flame. Good altitude but did not insert into Aerobrake recovery. Tumbled even with heavy HPR casing. No damage.
09-04-2010 Ken Jarosch AT RMS H128-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: MASA Launch
- Stars & Stripes: With a H128W-0 in the New 29MM/240/RAS setup, the Saucer made a great vertical ascent and a slow AeroBrake Recovery. Best motor so far.
10-02-2010 Ken Jarosch AT RMS H165-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: MASA Launch
- STARS & STRIPES. 29/240/RAS hardware. Big red flame to great height. Solid Aerobrake recovery. Hot motor. Nice flight.
10-09-2010 Ken Jarosch AT RMS H128-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: TRA-MN Launch
- Stars & Stripes: Another great flight with a H128W in the 29/240/RAS hardware. Nice high straight ascent with aerobrake recovery.
10-11-2008 Ron Mahinske AT RMS E18-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: Trailblazers 2008 Fall Rocket Camp
- thick collumn of smoke to about 150'
10-12-2008 Ron Mahinske AT EconoJet F20-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: Trailblazers 2008 Fall Rocket Camp
- loud, smokey trail to about 300'
10-12-2008 Ron Mahinske AT SU E30-4 Late (2-3sec) 0-5 mph winds Event: Trailblazers 2008 Fall Rocket Camp
- Went about 200' up. Saucer was decending upright when the motor ejected out the bottom. A real crowd pleaser. After the second launch that day, several people asked me to launch it again.
03-28-2003 Scott Simka AT EconoJet F20-4 --- not selected ---
(3500 ft)
Calm Orange - My 10.25 inch UFO rocket was 29mm and had the Stars & Stripes design.Everyone laughed at me, but when it flew, they were amazed! Perfect on an F-20 with the Ejection charge removed. Appeared to top off at around 3-500 feet with graceful decent and landing.
03-28-2003 Scott Simka AT EconoJet G35-4 --- not selected --- Calm Orange - Nice flight on G35, but appeared to stress the design. UFO looked like it wanted to go faster, but held back by drag. I'd go up on F's or smokey G33's. I'm not quite sure i'd try it on a G64 or G80.
10-25-2003 Scott Simka AT SU G40-10 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - This is getting to be my favorite rocket. I never have to walk far from the pads. I keep forgetting my spring clips on the launch rod. Perfect flight & Landing. Painted Glossy Black all over! AWESOME!!!
10-25-2003 Scott Simka AT SU G40-10 Apogee - Perfect 10+ mph winds - This is getting to be my favorite rocket. I never have to walk far from the pads. I keep forgetting my spring clips on the launch rod. Perfect flight & Landing. Painted Glossy Black all over! AWESOME!!!
10-19-2002 Dick Stafford AT EconoJet G35-P None - Unknown 10+ mph winds Smiley Face - neat smokey flight, lots of weathercocking, held up great!
11-09-2002 Dick Stafford AT EconoJet G38-4 None - Glider 0-5 mph winds OJ - a real crowd pleaser!; pointed it away from the crowd with the wind; it did a half-corkscrew turn into the wind
04-09-2006 Dick Stafford Est SU E9-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: NOVAAR
Smiley Face - This was adapted down to 24mm and was way underpowered. It weathercocked badly and was under power on the way down. No harm no foul though.
07-21-2007 Dick Stafford AT EconoJet F20-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Smiley Face - Good flight, this was an LMS F20
07-10-2004 Dick Stafford Ellis SU G35-P None - Tumble Calm RIPEvent: NARHAMS
OJ - flew in a big arc depite of the calm winds ?????? It landed beyond the trees in a mowed field but was not found. I think some tenns stole it ???? Status: Lost
09-28-2005 Rod Thrasher AT EconoJet F20-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: FCS Rocket Day
- Great load flight. Kids loved it.
07-19-2003 David Urbanek AT EconoJet F20-7 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds Patriotic Gesture 2 - Removed ejection charge. Very fast lift off. Straight flight with lots of noise and smoke. Very gentle nose down recovery. Perfect saucer.
07-19-2003 David Urbanek AT EconoJet F23-4 Didn't See 0-5 mph winds Patriotic Gesture 2 - Removed ejection charge. Very fast lift off. Straight flight with lots of nice black smoke. Very gentle nose down recovery. Very cool rocket.
06-18-2005 David Urbanek AT RMS F40-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Patriotic Gesture - Beautiful flight. Stright up, despite winds. Perfect nose down recovery. This is now my favorite motor for this rocket. It just makes everyone smile.
06-08-2003 Matt Vennard AT EconoJet G35-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Smiley - Second flight of the day for this rocket. This is my new favorite, as the lift-off is loud, lots of smoke, and still does only about 500 ft with a tumble recovery. This is too much fun...
06-08-2003 Matt Vennard AT EconoJet G35-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Smiley - 1st flight for Smiley, and it was exciting! Lots of smoke and noise, and those at the launch enjoyed it as much as I did. About 400'ish feet on this motor..perfect to see the whole thing.
08-02-2003 Matt Vennard AT EconoJet G35-4 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Smiley - Talk about an attention-getter at a launch!! Nervous about this, as putting a G35 in a 1.5oz rocket seems extreme, but it was an awesome flight!! Loud and Large!! Let's do this some more!!
02-07-2004 Michael Veno AT SU G80-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds MVeno - 2 excellent flights with tumble recovery. Flying saucers are a big hit with the crowd.
03-06-2004 Michael Veno AT RMS H128-0 None - Tumble Calm MVeno - Excellant flight with tumble recovery. Saucers are always a crowd pleaser. No ejection charge.
03-06-2004 Michael Veno AT RMS H128-0 None - Tumble Calm MVeno - Since the G80T flights went well, I decided to step up to a H128W. Again an excellant flight with tumble recovery
03-06-2004 Michael Veno AT RMS H97-0 None - Tumble Calm MVeno - Since the H128W flight was excellant, I moved up to a H97J (29-240 case). Another excellant flight straight up and a slow nose down recovery.
03-06-2004 Michael Veno Ellis SU I69-0 None - Tumble Calm MVeno - So far as I have gone up in total impulse from a G, small H, large H and now I, the average thrust has gone down. Another straight up and down flight with a slow nose down recovery

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