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REV 2.4 - Wed Aug 10 18:47:39 2011

Art Applewhite
Flying Saucer 38mm (12")
P.O.Box 294064
Kerrville, TX 78028
 
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SPECS: 4" x 12" - 5.3 oz
ROCKSIM FILE: MISSING - please submit here
SpaceCAD FILE: MISSING - please submit here
REC'D MOTORS: Ellis Mountain H48 , Aerotech H45W, Aerotech RMS 38/240 motors (H73J, H123W, H148R), Cesaroni Pro38 1 grain (G69, G79SS) & 2 grain (H153, H143SS) motors

Rating
(Contributed - by Dick Stafford [Who's Who Page] - 03/22/03)

Brief:
Art has continued to expand his line of saucers, adding a 12-inch saucer with a 38mm motor mount and either a 1/4-inch launch lug or optional ACME conformal rail guide. The recommended motors include the Ellis Mountain H48, all Aerotech 38/240 RMS, and all Cesaroni Pro38 one and two grain motors. This kit would serve nicely as quick, easy, and inexpensive way to Level-1 certification. Add a 29-38 adapter (not provided or recommended by the manufacturer) and you could add G80’s and G125’s to this list.

Construction:
The parts are all good quality and include:

  • Six sheets of colored, 110 lb card stock comprise the top, bottom and core assemblies
  • One sheet of pre-marked, foam poster board to make the center plate.
  • One thick walled 38mm motor tube
  • 1/4-inch launch lug
  • 3-inch x 8-inch x 3/32-inch basswood fin stock
  • 1 7/8-inch self-adhesive, fiberglass drywall joint tape

Tools and materials required:

  • Scissors
  • X-acto knife
  • Elmer’s white glue
  • Devcon® 2 Ton Epoxy ($1.97 at Walmart)
  • Clear enamel (RUSTOLEUM Crystal Clear or equivalent)
  • Fine sandpaper

There are six pages of detailed instructions with plenty of diagrams. White glue is first used to assemble the top and bottom cones and two cylindrical core assemblies (after a substantial amount of clipping with sharp scissors, of course). The bottom core must slide over the top core so it is test-fit before gluing. Unlike its smaller cousins, the saucer uses a foam board sheet in place of the plastic plates used in Art’s smaller saucers. The lines for the circular cuts are all pre-drawn, and you really need a new, sharp blade to make the cuts. There is also a circle drawn just inside of the outer rim. You cut through just one side of the foam circle and form a bevel on the outer edge. Some sanding is required to clean up this piece, and you must test fit it with the top and bottom cores before gluing. It took some effort and sanding for these components to fit together.

Art also provides strips of self-adhesive, fiberglass drywall joint tape to reinforce the top cone. Although the instructions say this step is optional, it is required for H flights and the only recommended G motors are the Cesaroni one grainers. I recommend you use the tape even if you only plan to fly on Gs. It doesn’t add that much weight, but makes the saucer far more sturdy. Anyway, rockets tend to like to eat the largest motor that they can.

Once everything fits, you spread epoxy inside all the sub-assemblies, slide them together, and clamp them by placing a suitably sized bowl on top. To prevent bleed-through on the cardstock, I suggest you use the Devcon® 2-ton epoxy recommended in the instructions.

The fin can assembles with white glue (I used carpenter’s glue for this step) like any other set of fins. The basswood fin stock is nice and easy to work with. Finally, the fin unit is glued in place, completing the assembly.

Finishing:
Since it is winter and painting must me kept to a minimum, I sealed the fins with Fill-and-Finish and hand-painted the fin can black. As recommended, I sealed the pre-colored cardstock with clear enamel.

Construction Rating: 4 ½ out of 5

Flight:
I flew the saucer on a Cesaroni H153, with the ejection charge removed. To hold the motor in on decent, I simply used a couple of wraps of masking tape around the motor's thrust ring and the rear of the motor mount.

Man, this saucer really scooted on this motor, flying arrow-straight to an impressive altitude. I was speechless and the crowd clapped. The saucer fell bottom first most of the way, but started to tumble just before it landed. There was no damage.

Note: This rocket also comes in the "Texas Special" design as seen above.

Flight Rating: 5 out of 5

Summary:
The saucer was easy to build but it took some effort to get the components to fit prior to final assembly. In all, it was just a tad more challenging than Art's smaller saucers.

This saucer gave a truly exciting flight. And for a $30, mostly paper, L-1 saucer - not bad at all!

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GUEST's OPINION:
07/04 - "This is a great rocket. When we built ours, we covered the entire shell with West Systems, and added 6oz fiberglass under it. The intention was to make it more durable. We flew this at the TQC July EX launch. It flew beautifully on 2 grain blue and smokey motors. However, a 6 grain blue proved to be too much. We ended up with a spectacular shred- we lost the shroud, and the motor continued upwards with the fins, eventually shredding them off. Great product, highly recommended." (W.A.)

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SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
07/04 - "Note from the Manufacturer: Use the brand of epoxy specified in the instructions, i.e. "Devcon 2 Ton Epoxy" from Walmart for $1.97. This epoxy is thick, like honey. it stays put, won't soak through the cardstock and has plenty of working time. It should not however be used to "glue" the whole kit together. It is used only on the inside of the TOP shroud and only "wet" the cardstock & fiberglass. It is not meant to fill the weave. Filling the weave adds far too much weight and does not improve the strength or durability. You can use a craft stick like a spatula. With the TOP inverted, work from the center to the edges, spreading the epoxy out evenly. The TOP and CENTER should remain inverted in a bowl with another bowl, pressing them together, until the epoxy is set. If you use more than one tube of epoxy your are making a tank, not a rocket. :-)" (Art Applewhite )

SPECIFIC ROCKET TIP:
01/04 - "I'm 95% finished with my 38mm UFO and I must tell you, it's hard to compete with the likes of Mr. Stafford. It looks OK, but not perfect like his. I've got some tips: 1) Buy 4 tubes of epoxy, if you use less, you'll have some left over, but it goes fast. Especially if you slather it over the fiberglass reinforcements. 2) Plan on lots of epoxy dripping all over the place, so put down some wax paper. There's a lot of dripping on the last assembly step and I think it's nearly impossible to keep from having epoxy drips on the edges of your UFO. They can be trimmed with an exacto before full cure, but the bumps are still visible. Wear some rubber gloves for the final assembly step. 3) Don't hesitate to double and triple check that the printed sides are facing in the correct directions. I made 2 saucers and both of them had bass-ackwards core pieces 'cause I didn't double check. 4) Don't think that you can glue more than 4 tabs at a time. It is impossible. You will get lots of white glue on your fingers. Accept it. I'll be flying it tomorrow and can't wait!!! " (S.S. )

[Enter Flight Log]
Date Name Motor Ejection/
Altitude
Wind Notes
11-09-2004 Carl Degner AT RMS G67-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - The G67 was a great motor for flying on a football field. It stopped the college baseball game going on a couple hundred yards away! I can't wait to fly this on a larger Redline motor.
11-09-2004 Carl Degner AT RMS G67-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - The G67 was a great motor for flying on a football field. It stopped the college baseball game going on a couple hundred yards away! I can't wait to fly this on a larger Redline motor.
05-27-2006 Carl Degner AT RMS I218-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: FITS 2006
- Great flight. This was a test for a night flight later that evening. All worked well.
05-27-2006 Carl Degner AT RMS I218-P None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: FITS 2006
- Tumbled down unstable on the night flight. EL wire made it easy to see. This was a real crown pleaser.
06-26-2010 Ken Jarosch AT RMS G67-M None - Tumble Calm Event: June Launch
- -Green: First Flight. First use of NEW 38/120/RAS system. Huge red plume with a fast takeoff. At burnout it just hovered then aerobraked in reverse. Hit hard on bottom but no real damage. Crimped lower shroud.
07-10-2010 Ken Jarosch AT RMS H148-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: TRA-MN Launch
- The H148R in the New 38MM Special/RAS system made a great flight to about 300'+-. At burnout the Saucer nicely flipped over into AeroBrake recovery. It almost floated for a while. Pushed motor out on landing. No Damage.
09-04-2010 Ken Jarosch AT RMS H123-0 None - Tumble 10+ mph winds Event: MASA Launch
- GREEN: This original Saucer, the NEW 38MM/360/RAS setup and the long burn H123W made for a great combo. Very good alititude with solid AeroBrake recovery. Maybe best motor.
06-03-2006 Matthew McFarland EX G class None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds - Great fast flight.
06-03-2006 Matthew McFarland EX G None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds - Very fast flight.
06-29-2007 Joe Mihalcik AT RMS H123-S None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - Launched at high school field.Great Flight and greater than expected.Flew to about 400' and easy recovery.
08-05-2007 Joe Mihalcik AT RMS H73-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: high school field
- Awesome Flight-slow take off in light wind. It flew straight and at least 400' high.Tumble recovery face down on a sidewalk w/no damage!
08-05-2007 Joe Mihalcik AT RMS I161-0 None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds Event: high school field
- This was a loud and fast flight with nice altitude!!This is the perfect motor for this size Flying Saucer.Great FUN and landed less than 100' from pad again w/ NO damage.
10-13-2007 Joe Mihalcik AT RMS I211-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: CT Tripoli Invitational 07
- Another Great Flight- This motor is probably the upper limit for this kit. Awesome lift-off and boost with smoke and flame trailing the saucer. Altitude between 800-900 feet. Good recovery!!
01-15-2006 Bruce Sexton AT RMS G61-S None - Tumble 10+ mph winds - January Vikings launch, windy conditions, perfect flight to about 300'.
03-26-2006 Bruce Sexton AT RMS G61-S None - Tumble 0-5 mph winds - Great saucer flight - lots of smoke and noise!
04-23-2006 Bruce Sexton AT RMS G61-S None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: Battle Park
- Another great saucer flight - smoke and noise!
07-16-2006 Bruce Sexton AT RMS G61-M None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: July Launch
- Another good saucer flight - lots of smoke and noise!
11-19-2006 Bruce Sexton AT RMS G61-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: November Monthly Launch
- Great flight with lots of smoke and noise.
12-17-2006 Bruce Sexton AT RMS G61-0 None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: Monthly Launch
- Normal good saucer flight.
01-24-2004 Scott Simka 4x Ces RLD H153-0 Apogee - Perfect 5-10 mph winds - No Ejection on this design. Super fast and high flight. Don't think that you can get a picture of this one! Not a scratch either. Looked like it tumbled from 500 feet at least. Excellent flight!!!
01-24-2004 Scott Simka Ces RLD G69-0 Didn't See 5-10 mph winds - Rocket never flew. I accidentally removed the entire delay grain instead of the ejection charge. Nice long burn, but the UFO never left the rod! What a waste of a Pro38. (do they give stupidity refunds)?
03-15-2003 Dick Stafford Ces RLD H153-0 None - Unknown 0-5 mph winds Green - fantastic flight, fast and arrow straight; it fell bottom first most of the way but started flipping before landing
11-14-2004 Dick Stafford DRD 149G111-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: ESL-78
Texas Special - Great boost - my first successful sugar motor! Used the Loki 38/240 case.
07-18-2009 Dick Stafford AT RMS I49-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: Great Meadow
Texas Special - A 7-second burn will put a smile on your face every time :-D The only snag is the grain has to be epoxied to the liner. Luckily, I had some epoxy in the ol' range box. nice
11-15-2009 Dick Stafford AT RMS I49-P None - Tumble 5-10 mph winds Event: Red Glare 7
Texas Special - This was a cool long burn but it weather cocked like mad. This motor is cooler when the boost is over your head.

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